New Fedora Logo

[RahulSundaram]

Perhaps the new logo should be a photo of a RedHat employee treating the community like idiots instead? Perhaps they could use your photo, Rahul?
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So why is this getting personal?. Who is treating anyone as an idiot here?. All of the discussions have been in a open fedora-marketing list which anyone could be subscribe. All of the archives are available there. Not sure how the community could be treated any better or what the expectations are

Rahul
Red Hat

[grndplane]

I kind of like the idea of Fedora as a hot babe. It doesn't have to be a hat.

[sayeeth]

I kind of like the idea of Fedora as a hot babe. It doesn't have to be a hat.

Which one? Babe the pig or Babe the ooh lala femme fatale?

[Twey]

I kind of like the idea of Fedora as a hot babe.

Someone was too obviously going to say that

Well, fsck, can we assume that you are an active contributor to Fedora development beyond shouting from the sidelines?

Yes, (s)?he is an active contributor to Fedora development. (Sh|H)e shouts from the sidelines. This is a community-driven OS. That means community opinions count, not just community code. This is the whole point of Fedora.

viewed from the perspective of a user, our opinion of the logo is shaped largely by our satisfaction or dissatisfaction of the product.

Nonsense. I'm quite happy with Fedora; I have no (major) qualms with it. I do, however, dislike the logo. On the other hand, I rather like the MSN logo. Get my point?

[RahulSundaram]

Yes, (s)?he is an active contributor to Fedora development. (Sh|H)e shouts from the sidelines. This is a community-driven OS. That means community opinions count, not just community code. This is the whole point of Fedora.

Opinions are fine if they are channeled on the right place (fedora marketing list for the logo discussions) with the detailed ideas for improvements but telling people who contribute on their personal time that they didnt invite the community while the entire discussion have been going on in public mailing lists with lots of community input and throwing out personal insults is not motivating

Drive your passion into contributions and yes it can be more than just code

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted

Rahul
Red Hat

[Twey]

throwing out personal insults

No-one was throwing out personal insults but the implied ones from owakroeger.

telling people who contribute on their personal time that they didnt invite the community

The only reference you can be making here is to my own post, which was certainly not telling anyone that they failed to invite the community. I was commenting on that one post, no more.

[RahulSundaram]

No-one was throwing out personal insults but the implied ones from owakroeger.The only reference you can be making here is to my own post, which was certainly not telling anyone that they failed to invite the community. I was commenting on that one post, no more.

Not referring to your posts. See fsck's . (s)he has removed the personal insults subsequently

Rahul
Red Hat

[Twey]

Ah, very well.

[Pastel]

I have read the comments about Red Hat trying to ‘distance themselves’ from Fedora as to make a clear distinction but I am still seeing a strong a connection to where there is no reason to be completely non-derivative.
As I looked at Distro-Watch a week ago I noticed a Red Hat Fedora above the Fedora logo. Fedora is obviously a derivation of Red Hat and will remain that way until it changes its name to something different like Cowboy Hat.
So even if it can’t be a fedora, which I think is ridiculous considering the name ‘Fedora,’ my suggestion is to use a different style fedora so it would look like a completely different type of hat with a different color. Red Hat’s Fedora is the original City version. Small and compact.

Fedora Foundation is more wilder, outdoor, cutting edge, foundational distro and I had made a thread on how it reminded me more of a safari style fedora. The Safari style is more wide brimmed that looks like the Indiana Jones hat or even the hat on Fedora Forums. The Indiana Jones hat is a safari style fedora. And brown would be a good color. I like the original fedora font because it looks more earthy while the newer one more corporate.

The new logo is pretty good but could be boring. The infinity sign looks ok too.

[jspaar]

Opinions are fine if they are channeled on the right place (fedora marketing list for the logo discussions) with the detailed ideas for improvements but telling people who contribute on their personal time that they didnt invite the community while the entire discussion have been going on in public mailing lists with lots of community input and throwing out personal insults is not motivating

Rahul, I know you were responding to another poster, and I agree that personal insults are not constructive.

But trying to spin this like it was an open process in which the community was highly involved? As Greg DeK. spelled out in the marketing list discussion, he has paid a professional to do it according to Red Hat's specs, and he has signed off on the result (allowing for minor tweaks) before 99% of the "community" has even become aware that it existed.

"The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community..." Any posts to fedora-list about the logo?

The irony boggles.

It's quite clear from Greg's posts that it's a done deal and Red Hat doesn't give a flying kazoo about what anybody else says at this point. And benevolent dictatorship is necessary or nothing gets decided. But let's not even pretend like the "community" had anything to do with this logo, OK?

[RahulSundaram]

Rahul, I know you were responding to another poster, and I agree that personal insults are not constructive.

But trying to spin this like it was an open process in which the community was highly involved? As Greg DeK. spelled out in the marketing list discussion, he has paid a professional to do it according to Red Hat's specs, and he has signed off on the result (allowing for minor tweaks) before 99% of the "community" has even become aware that it existed.

"The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community..." Any posts to fedora-list about the logo?

The irony boggles.

It's quite clear from Greg's posts that it's a done deal and Red Hat doesn't give a flying kazoo about what anybody else says at this point. And benevolent dictatorship is necessary or nothing gets decided. But let's not even pretend like the "community" had anything to do with this logo, OK?

Right from the start all the discussions have happened in a open list, so the idea that community didnt know about it or had nothing do with it is misleading. Several previous efforts were already mentioned in Fedora news IIRC

If you read the marketing list, the discussions about the need for a new logo as well as several different logos came directly from the community. A lot of original ideas came were around the idea of a hat naturally. After a good amount of discussions around that, other proposals were made. The archives of the mailing list can be read by anyone to understand this. No pretensions required

The community proposals are available from

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas

After sometime and discussions it was decided to hand over the work to professionals based on the community list and the ideas around Fedora as a project and what it represents. As mentioned before, this has been described in

http://www.capstrat.com/development/fedora/

which starts with the previous ideas expressed on the list

All of what marketing project covers is available from

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing

The IRC meeting minutes

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings

More ideas and proposals from the community is most welcome at the marketing list. So again, if people have contributions or suggestions to post in the list

http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listin...marketing-list

If you have suggestions to improve the process, let me know.

Rahul
Red Hat

[sej7278]

is it true about redhat wanting to differentiate itself from fedora?

personally i love the blue hat logo and hate this "infinity" crap.

at least it's not childish like the suse, freebsd or ubuntu logos....

[Twey]

I don't profess to be the most involved here, but I do check up every now and then, and I didn't know about this until this thread. Without criticizing, I'd say it should be advertised more.

[RahulSundaram]

I don't profess to be the most involved here, but I do check up every now and then, and I didn't know about this until this thread. Without criticizing, I'd say it should be advertised more.

One of the things that people can do is read Fedora News which usually captures many of the important stuff thats happening with the project

http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page

The needs for advertising the efforts better is one of the ideas discussing within the marketing project before.
A weekly digest of the Fedora mailing lists in a way Colin used to do might also help

http://fedoranews.org/colin/fnu/

Current task list

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Schedule

Other ideas available here
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/BrainDump

With the current amount of community members involved we can only do so much. I would invite you or anyone interested to join the project and get more involved. That way someone else can criticise what you do ;-)

Rahul
Red Hat

[grndplane]

"Originally Posted by sayeeth
Which one? Babe the pig or Babe the ooh lala femme fatale?"

Not the pig :-)