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    Packaging question: why are some groups not listed in "dnf grouplist" ?

    On my Fedora 30 install, dnf grouplist will list:

    dnf grouplist
    Code:
    Available Environment Groups:
       Fedora Custom Operating System
       Minimal Install
       Fedora Server Edition
       Fedora Workstation
       Fedora Cloud Server
       KDE Plasma Workspaces
       Xfce Desktop
       LXQt Desktop
       Cinnamon Desktop
       MATE Desktop
       Sugar Desktop Environment
       Deepin Desktop
       Development and Creative Workstation
       Web Server
       Infrastructure Server
       Basic Desktop
    Installed Environment Groups:
       LXDE Desktop
    Installed Groups:
       Administration Tools
       Development Tools
       KDE (K Desktop Environment)
       Fonts
       Hardware Support
    Available Groups:
       3D Printing
       Audio Production
       Authoring and Publishing
       Books and Guides
       C Development Tools and Libraries
       Cloud Infrastructure
       Cloud Management Tools
       Compiz
       Container Management
       D Development Tools and Libraries
       Design Suite
       Domain Membership
       Fedora Eclipse
       Editors
       Educational Software
       Electronic Lab
       Engineering and Scientific
       FreeIPA Server
       Headless Management
       LibreOffice
       MATE Applications
       Medical Applications
       Milkymist
       Network Servers
       Office/Productivity
       Python Classroom
       Python Science
       Robotics
       RPM Development Tools
       Security Lab
       Text-based Internet
       Window Managers
       GNOME Desktop Environment
       Graphical Internet
       Games and Entertainment
       Sound and Video
       System Tools
    But Fedora has a group called "multimedia" as shown by "dnf groupinfo multimedia":

    dnf groupinfo multimedia
    Code:
    Group: Multimedia
     Description: Audio/video framework common to desktops
     Mandatory Packages:
       PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin
       alsa-plugins-pulseaudio
       alsa-ucm
       alsa-utils
       gstreamer1-libav
       gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free
       gstreamer1-plugins-bad-freeworld
       gstreamer1-plugins-good
       gstreamer1-plugins-ugly
       pulseaudio
       pulseaudio-module-x11
       pulseaudio-utils
     Conditional Packages:
       chromium-libs-media-freeworld
       ffmpeg-libs
       gstreamer-ffmpeg
       gstreamer-plugins-bad-free
       gstreamer-plugins-espeak
       gstreamer-plugins-good
       gstreamer-plugins-ugly
       qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld
    We see that "multimedia" is not visible in the first "dnf grouplist" output, why is that? Note the true spelling is "Multimedia" with cap "M" but it's not in the grouplist in either spelling.

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    Re: Packaging question: why are some groups not listed in "dnf grouplist" ?

    Try dnf -h group list
    The extra are not fully verified or sometimes they are partially completed.
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    Re: Packaging question: why are some groups not listed in "dnf grouplist" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lsatenstein
    Try dnf -h group list
    The extra are not fully verified or sometimes they are partially completed.
    dnf -h group list just got me a help listing, not sure what you're pointing me to see there.

    If I run "dnf group list" I get a list of groups which still doesn't include the "multimedia" group that "dnf groupinfo multimedia" or "dnf group info multimedia" does show (apparently "groupinfo" and "group info" is the same)

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    Re: Packaging question: why are some groups not listed in "dnf grouplist" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by marko
    If I run "dnf group list" I get a list of groups which still doesn't include the "multimedia" group that "dnf groupinfo multimedia" or "dnf group info multimedia" does show (apparently "groupinfo" and "group info" is the same)
    You need to use the "--hidden" option:
    Code:
    # dnf --hidden group list
    Last metadata expiration check: 0:05:12 ago on Sat Aug  3 20:29:11 2019.
    Available Environment Groups:
       Minimal Install
       Fedora Server Edition
       Fedora Workstation
       Fedora Cloud Server
       ...
    Available Groups:
       3D Printing
       Administration Tools
       Anaconda tools
       Ansible node
       ARM Tools
       ...
       KDE (K Desktop Environment)
       Multimedia
       Fonts
       Games and Entertainment
       ...
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    Re: Packaging question: why are some groups not listed in "dnf grouplist" ?

    That's just crazy, I didn't know of the --hidden option. Seems like a bad design, what's the use of hiding some groups and not others? I'd think it would be better to opt into hiding those groups than opt out of hiding them.

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    Re: Packaging question: why are some groups not listed in "dnf grouplist" ?

    To be fair, it is in the man page, though barely (and not very descriptive):
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           dnf [options] group list <group-spec>...
    	      List  all	 matching  groups, either among installed or available
    	      groups.  If  nothing  is	specified,  list  all  known   groups.
    	      --installed  and	--available  options narrow down the requested
    	      list.  Records are ordered by the display_order tag  defined  in
    	      comps.xml	 file.	 Provides a list of all hidden groups by using
    	      option --hidden.	Provides more detailed information when the -v
    	      option is used.
    I don't understand the reasoning behind hiding groups, either. If they want to do something like that, then they should at least call the option "--all" instead of "--hidden". Oh well, just one of those quirky little Fedora-isms.
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    Re: Packaging question: why are some groups not listed in "dnf grouplist" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by marko
    dnf -h group list just got me a help listing, not sure what you're pointing me to see there.

    If I run "dnf group list" I get a list of groups which still doesn't include the "multimedia" group that "dnf groupinfo multimedia" or "dnf group info multimedia" does show (apparently "groupinfo" and "group info" is the same)
    Sorry, I was responding via my cellphone

    Try man dnf.

    It is likely dnf -v group list. (to show hidden groups)
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    Re: Packaging question: why are some groups not listed in "dnf grouplist" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lsatenstein
    Sorry, I was responding via my cellphone

    Try man dnf.

    It is likely dnf -v group list. (to show hidden groups)
    Post 4 already had the answer: --hidden

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    Re: Packaging question: why are some groups not listed in "dnf grouplist" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by marko
    Post 4 already had the answer: --hidden
    -v and --hidden are the same switches, two different formats.
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    Re: Packaging question: why are some groups not listed in "dnf grouplist" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lsatenstein
    -v and --hidden are the same switches, two different formats.
    The -v option does not show the hidden groups, like Multimedia:
    Code:
    # dnf -v group list | grep -i multimedia
    # dnf --hidden group list | grep -i multimedia
       KDE Multimedia support
       Multimedia support for LXDE
       Multimedia support for LXQt
       Multimedia support for Xfce
       Multimedia
    You could have at least tried the two commands to check that. LOL
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