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    Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Well that is paraphrasing (Kaput). The hard drive is 1TB in size. The prompt is given when I boot up (Hard drive will probably fail soon, better back up data) (or similar message) into Fedora which is on that Seagate drive. I am not running windows with it, only Fedora 27. When scrolling through the standard S.M.A.R.T statistics, one field is in red with the warning message. As I toggle over this message it says "an update might resolve the issue (or similar statement)." Does not say update the firmware strangely, but a search online reveals other forums wherein, people are hearing this screaching noise or have been similarly prompted to "update" the drive.

    I go to seagate, thinking they will walk through the fix in Linux and I am dismayed they want to do the fix on windows. Any way to work around this and stay inside the linux-fedora platform?

    Other concern: It seems like there are a certain group of model numbers that can be improved by the upgrade, and I am not able to search which model numbers are good for the fix, they are offering. Any help with this, much appreciated.


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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Isn't there a bootable media option for applying the firmware update? It's been a long time since I updated my own ST1000DM003. admittedly that was with the windows utility as I still had W7 installed at the time. Now I too just run Linux. Another option if you have access to a PC with windows would be to connect the drive to that and update it that way.

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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Quote Originally Posted by fordpie
    Well that is paraphrasing (Kaput). The hard drive is 1TB in size. The prompt is given when I boot up (Hard drive will probably fail soon, better back up data) (or similar message) into Fedora which is on that Seagate drive. I am not running windows with it, only Fedora 27. When scrolling through the standard S.M.A.R.T statistics, one field is in red with the warning message. As I toggle over this message it says "an update might resolve the issue (or similar statement)." Does not say update the firmware strangely, but a search online reveals other forums wherein, people are hearing this screaching noise or have been similarly prompted to "update" the drive.

    I go to seagate, thinking they will walk through the fix in Linux and I am dismayed they want to do the fix on windows. Any way to work around this and stay inside the linux-fedora platform?

    Other concern: It seems like there are a certain group of model numbers that can be improved by the upgrade, and I am not able to search which model numbers are good for the fix, they are offering. Any help with this, much appreciated.


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    Tags considered (but too long):
    Seagate S.M.A.R.T Upgrade in Linux,
    Upgrade Seagate Hard Drive with Linux,
    Upgrade Seagate Hard Drive firmware in Linux.
    Hard drive about to crash (message),
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    Which field? some are critical and mean the drive needs replacing.
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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Quote Originally Posted by antikythera
    Isn't there a bootable media option for applying the firmware update? ...
    Yes there is a bootable media option. How dare you, suggest for me to use a CD, or an entire DVD, to create a tiny iso. *momentarily flabbergasted* Or I guess I could use one of the dozen or so USB drives I have around here (half of which are missing in action or AWOL (absent without leave to do so).

    I am trying to find a linux-Fedora platform solution or a command based, direct-method to deal with these silly (but S.M.A.R.T) Seagate hard drive issues. Although, if it requires me to burn an iso image, instead of using windows ... ah-hum ... I am down with that!

    Referring ISO (Barracuda 7200.12 Firmware Update) but it looks like another windows boot to run the ISO (please correct me if I am wrong); (you are contemplating the ISO will be available to my motherboard bios at bootup)(cd, dvd, or USB)?

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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Quote Originally Posted by leigh123linux
    Which field? some are critical and mean the drive needs replacing.
    Ah-hah. An eye for more information. I see.
    (Using smartctl to re-create the field indicated above):


    # smartctl -H /dev/sdb

    SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED! (This message will self destruct in 5 seconds)
    (Maxwell Smart) Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA. *shocking*
    Failed Attributes:
    ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
    5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 003 003 036 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 4012

    Sidenote:
    Thresh = threshhold, which has (according to S.M.A.R.T) exceeded the worst value (3), some 33 times, above the max-value (3) allowed. 3+33=36

    Sidenote 2:
    The prompt did not show up, until after I had moved about 180 GBs of data to the Seagate disk (sdb), to clear off data from the sda drive. There was approximately 780+GB on the disk before moving data to the Seagate hard drive.


    Commencing 24hour countdown momentarily ...
    We are a go. 24hour countdown has commenced.
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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    So perhaps, I mistakenly assumed that my two barracuda drives were giving false positives. I still have one of them. Should I ignore the SMART error messages?
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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Quote Originally Posted by lsatenstein
    So perhaps, I mistakenly assumed that my two barracuda drives were giving false positives. I still have one of them. Should I ignore the SMART error messages?
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    I would not ignore SMART error messages, but the "reallocation" max-value on my drive is/was set at three (3), and I have had other Seagate drives that were constantly trying to re-allocate space due to (bad or missing sector or block) errors, in windows. These drives lasted for years beyond the first, 3 "reallocations." Long after disk failures in windows, I can still access the data on them when hooking the drive up to a Linux based OS. Many of these disk failures, occurred in windows, such as a messed up Main Boot Sector or boot malfuction (I was not able to resolve at that time).
    Last edited by fordpie; 12th January 2018 at 06:08 PM.

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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Quote Originally Posted by fordpie
    Ah-hah. ...Using smartctl to re-create the field indicated ...
    Posting steps for reference, and to aid others in comparing or testing other drives on the same motherboard:

    Step 1
    # smartctl --scan
    /dev/sda -d scsi # /dev/sda, SCSI device
    /dev/sdb -d scsi # /dev/sdb, SCSI device
    /dev/sdc -d scsi # /dev/sdc, SCSI device

    Step 2
    # smartctl -i /dev/sdb
    smartctl v 6.3 2014-07-26 r3976 ...
    Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www. smartmontools. org

    === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
    Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12
    Device Model: ST31000528AS
    Serial Number: bunnyeatingmycabbagehereonthisdrive
    LU WWN Device Id: bunnyisnibblingaway
    Firmware Version: CC38
    User Capacity: 1,000,204,886,016 bytes [1.00 TB]
    Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
    Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
    Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
    ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
    SATA Version is: SATA 2.6, 3.0 Gb/s
    Local Time is: Fri Jan 12 ... 2018 CST

    ==> WARNING: A firmware update for this drive may be available,
    see the following Seagate web pages: http://knowledge.seagate.com/article...S/FAQ/207931en
    http://knowledge.seagate.com/article...S/FAQ/213891en

    SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
    SMART support is: Enabled


    Step 3
    # smartctl -H /dev/sdb

    output of step 3 in post above (number five of this thread)

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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Quote Originally Posted by fordpie
    Ah-hah. A nose for more information. I see.
    (Using smartctl to re-create the field indicated above):


    # smartctl -H /dev/sdb

    SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED! (This message will self destruct in 5 seconds)
    (Maxwell Smart) Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA. *shocking*
    Failed Attributes:
    ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
    5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 003 003 036 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 4012

    Sidenote:
    Thresh = threshhold, which has (according to S.M.A.R.T) exceeded the worst value (3), some 33 times, above the max-value (3) allowed. 3+33=36

    Sidenote 2:
    The prompt did not show up, until after I had moved about 180 GBs of data to the Seagate disk (sdb), to clear off data from the sda drive. There was approximately 780+GB on the disk before moving data to the Seagate hard drive.


    Commencing 24hour countdown momentarily ...
    We are a go. 24hour countdown has commenced.
    Perhaps the firmware update fixes the ridiculously low threshold value for 'Reallocated Sector Count', I would normally expect this value to be in the region of 100 - 200 for worst value.
    Is the 'Uncorrectable Sector Count' high, if not I would say the drive is OK
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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Quote Originally Posted by leigh123linux
    Perhaps the firmware update fixes the ridiculously low threshold value for 'Reallocated Sector Count', I would normally expect this value to be in the region of 100 - 200 for worst value.
    Is the 'Uncorrectable Sector Count' high, if not I would say the drive is OK
    How are you able to access the Uncorrectable Sector Count value?

    Originally there was that one field that was listed as bad (Reallocated Sector Count of 36). It showed up in a prompt, displayed in part, as a Graphical User Interface (GUI) that had red and green coloration values. It was red. The other values were green. I am guessing that the cut and paste performed in moving approximately 180GBs from sda to sdb, included an error fixing feature, that executed several times during the data-move. Thus when bad sectors were encountered that activated the auto-correct feature, and the 'Reallocated Sector Count' went up.

    Afterword, with the terminal, I was able to "re-create" the disk-is-about-to-fail field and failure-message with the # 'smartctl -H /dev/sdb" entry as above. But the health report (under smartctl) reported a failure, due to that one field of values (Relocated Sector Count), and did not report in the number of other fields (with unique values) that passed. In the terminal, smartctl is not presented as a GUI; the command used, displayed merely the bad news in text form, without the other fields, which had acceptable or good values.

    So I am asking how did you get the 'Uncorrectable Sector Count' field to display? Was it in a GUI or via the terminal? How can we re-create this display on our version of Fedora? Any help much appreciated leigh123linux and others.
    Last edited by fordpie; 12th January 2018 at 08:26 PM.

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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    the reason some of your posts weren't visible is because you are a new user and certain actions and formatting will automatically place your posts in a moderation queue to begin with. please read through the forum tips section. it explains more about this

    tell the bunny eating your data that the bootable media can be written to rewrite media or any other re-usable media your PC will boot from. It doesn't need Windows or Linux to load as it contains the required OS to start from in the image. the bunny may need to turn off secureboot if it is enabled though.

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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Quote Originally Posted by lsatenstein
    So perhaps, I mistakenly assumed that my two barracuda drives were giving false positives. I still have one of them. Should I ignore the SMART error messages?
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    lsatenstein, are you able to re-create the display of SMART error messages, on demand or do you merely see them when you reboot?

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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    question, do you have any raid controller close by, so you can plug the drive to it, and see what it comes up with ?
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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    gnome-disk-utility has a neat smart gui
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    Re: Seagate "smartdrive" Technology says Hard Drive is About to go Kaput

    Quote Originally Posted by leigh123linux
    gnome-disk-utility has a neat smart gui
    looks like a rewrite of the old palimpsest
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