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  1. #16
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    Re: Laptop won't boot on 4.14.xx kernels

    Quote Originally Posted by bobx001
    I see UEFI: in his inxi output, yeech

    I just had an experience of installing from my SSD->USB dongle an Xfce Spin, and when I chose the "UEFI Generic Storage" to install, the machine was after that, unstable, and rebooted by itself.
    Afterwards, I chose in the BIOS to boot from "Generic Storage" (without UEFI), and did another full install, and no probs at all.

    I wonder if that has anything to do with it. My system:
    Code:
    [bobx@nova ~]$ uname -a
    Linux nova 4.14.13-300.fc27.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 11 04:00:01 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
    Attachment 29330
    Attachment 29331
    Attachment 29333
    So UEFI is bad? I'm completely out of my element here. I did try to disable EFI from the BIOS settings, but again, same results.

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    Re: Laptop won't boot on 4.14.xx kernels

    Quote Originally Posted by KirkD
    I tried removing the NVIDIA driver and defaulting back to nouveau, but the nvidia driver kept coming up even after I thought it had been removed. Seems to be hard to get rid of. There is a new NVIDIA driver (384.111) that supposedly fixes some kernel issue related to missing header files, but that particular driver also isn't working. I also tried installing the driver without DKMS support - same results.

    Here's the bug report: https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showt...54#post1801654
    I just downloaded and installed nVidia driver 384.111 and that resolved the issue for me. Did you try that driver yet? The release notes from nVidia indicated that the 384.98 version introduced the kernel incompatibility bug now fixed with 111. I did download and install the kernel-4.14.11 src and compiled it using the kernel-4.14.8 config file and it still failed to solve the problem so I figured it wasn't a linux kernel issue.

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    Re: Laptop won't boot on 4.14.xx kernels

    Quote Originally Posted by KirkD
    So UEFI is bad? I'm completely out of my element here. I did try to disable EFI from the BIOS settings, but again, same results.
    UEFI isn't bad when setup correctly as you must have done in the first place. otherwise your system wouldn't have booted from any kernel let alone 4.14. persevere with trying to fix the broken nvidia installation (screwing with UEFI settings which worked until now is not the way to go). Leigh is the expert with proprietary NVIDIA drivers. Wait for his further advice or seek it from other similar threads here on the forum.

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    Re: Laptop won't boot on 4.14.xx kernels

    Quote Originally Posted by STARBASEn
    I just downloaded and installed nVidia driver 384.111 and that resolved the issue for me. Did you try that driver yet?
    Oops, I see you did. I have 2 of my desktops in UEFI mode and haven't had any issues. To switch back to legacy BIOS, one would need to reinstall everything in legacy mode... not worth it for me to switch back. Not sure why you have an issue removing the NV drivers. Did you remove xorg-x11-drv-nouveau when you originally installed NV? If so, it needs to be reinstalled. I'm not positive but to completely remove NV drivers you invoke the
    install binary with the --uninstall option while in run level 3 and you also need to get rid of the blacklist references in the /etc/default/grub file command line regarding nouveau and make sure there is not a /etc/modprobe/config file with blacklist nouveau present then use grub2-mkconfig to rebuild grub.cfg in the appropriate /boot dir then reboot.

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    Re: Laptop won't boot on 4.14.xx kernels

    I repeated the NVIDIA uninstall and was successful this time. Work nouveau in place, I still have the same problem.

    I've tried the 384.11 driver as well as the 390.xx beta driver and still no luck. On all cases, the 4.13 and prior kernels still work, so in functional as long as I keep one of those kernels around.

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    Re: Laptop won't boot on 4.14.xx kernels

    I'm seeing an identical issue on a Lenovo P50 laptop. Won't boot due to graphics issues on an 4.14.x kernel I've tried. Reverting to 4.13.x works ok, and is what I've had to use for several weeks. Praying for fixes in recent kernel builds has so far been fruitless ;-) I'm using the Nouveau drivers, which have been fine up till 4.14. Ages ago I used Nvidia drivers, but they are a beast to set up and maintain.

    Here's the output of inxi -Fxmz:

    % sudo inxi -Fxmz
    System: Host: cjashfor-P50 Kernel: 4.13.16-302.fc27.x86_64 x86_64 bits: 64 gcc: 7.2.1 Console: tty 0
    Distro: Fedora release 27 (Twenty Seven)
    Machine: Device: laptop System: LENOVO product: 20EQS3B400 v: ThinkPad P50 serial: <filter>
    Mobo: LENOVO model: 20EQS3B400 v: SDK0J40697 WIN serial: <filter>
    UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO v: N1EET62W (1.35 ) date: 11/10/2016
    Battery BAT0: charge: 89.5 Wh 98.6% condition: 90.7/90.0 Wh (101%) model: SMP 00NY493 status: N/A
    CPU: Quad core Intel Core i7-6820HQ (-MT-MCP-) arch: Skylake-S rev.3 cache: 8192 KB
    flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 21696
    clock speeds: max: 3600 MHz 1: 2700 MHz 2: 2700 MHz 3: 2700 MHz 4: 2700 MHz 5: 2700 MHz 6: 2700 MHz
    7: 2700 MHz 8: 2700 MHz
    Memory: Array-1 capacity: 64 GB devices: 4 EC: None
    Device-1: ChannelA-DIMM0 size: 16 GB speed: 2133 MT/s type: DDR4 part: M471A2K43CB1-CRC
    Device-2: ChannelA-DIMM1 size: No Module Installed type: N/A
    Device-3: ChannelB-DIMM0 size: 16 GB speed: 2133 MT/s type: DDR4 part: M471A2K43CB1-CRC
    Device-4: ChannelB-DIMM1 size: No Module Installed type: N/A
    Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GM107GLM [Quadro M1000M] bus-ID: 01:00.0
    Display Server: X.org 1.19.6 drivers: vesa (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev)
    Resolution: 1920x1080@60.02hz, 1920x1200@59.95hz, 1600x1200@60.00hz
    OpenGL: renderer: NV117 version: 4.3 Mesa 17.2.4 Direct Render: Yes
    Audio: Card-1 NVIDIA Device 0fbc driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
    Card-2 Intel Sunrise Point-H HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1f.3
    Card-3 C-Media driver: USB Audio usb-ID: 001-006
    Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.16-302.fc27.x86_64
    Network: Card-1: Intel Ethernet Connection (2) I219-LM driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k bus-ID: 00:1f.6
    IF: enp0s31f6 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
    Card-2: Intel Wireless 8260 driver: iwlwifi bus-ID: 04:00.0
    IF: wlp4s0 state: up mac: <filter>
    Drives: HDD Total Size: 512.1GB (15.2% used)
    ID-1: /dev/sda model: SAMSUNG_MZNLN512 size: 512.1GB temp: 41C
    Partition: ID-1: / size: 49G used: 21G (44%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1
    ID-2: /boot size: 976M used: 197M (22%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
    ID-3: /home size: 404G used: 37G (10%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-3
    ID-4: swap-1 size: 16.62GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-2
    RAID: No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
    Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 35.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 43.0
    Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 2256
    Info: Processes: 393 Uptime: 1 day Memory: 6538.3/31629.8MB Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 7.2.1
    Client: Shell (sudo) inxi: 2.3.53

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    Re: Laptop won't boot on 4.14.xx kernels

    Found a tip here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527669

    My P50 laptop will boot if I:
    1) Install kernel 4.15.0 (4.14.x might work too, but I'm not sure)
    2) Boot the laptop without putting it in the dock.
    3) After the laptop has successfully booted, put the laptop in the dock.

    I tried this and it works. I'm now running 4.15.0-0.rc8.git1.1.fc28.x86_64 with multiple monitors working.

    So there seems to be some issue with booting while the laptop is in the dock.

  8. #23
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    Re: Laptop won't boot on 4.14.xx kernels

    When you boot with the 4.13.12-300 kernel, are there any messages in the journal at the time of the failed boots?
    There would not be any messages as the journal messages are stored on the root disk which isn't mounted for writing until the boot process is complete. If the kernel fails to boot this never happens.

    Using journalctl, I see the -- Reboot -- marker and then the following times are current, but I don't see any attempts for 4.14.8.
    And there are no indications of booting into 4.14.8.
    If the kernel won't boot at all this is completely different than an NVidia driver issue. If the screen is black due to a video driver issue you can log into a virtual console if nomodeset was specified on the grub command line. You also could ssh into the machine if you had an ssh daemon running. There would also be logs in journalctl and Xorg.

    The fact that "there are no indications of booting into 4.14.8" could mean the problem is more serious. With an NVidia driver issue the computer would boot but the display would just be frozen. There would be logs in journalctl and Xorg logs.

    There is a very simple test to determine if this is a graphics issue. Simply boot into console/text mode. During booting edit the grub command line by pressing 'e' and adding systemd.unit=multi-user.target. In some cases simply adding '3' at the end of the line also works. In console mode X/Wayland is never started so driver issues are irrelevant.

    https://docs-old.fedoraproject.org/e...b-targets.html
    Last edited by amiga; Yesterday at 10:36 PM.

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