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    Post Another OEM bites the dust

    Lenovo have bought a controlling stake in Fujitsu PC division. This is unfortunate news given the way they have messed around with NEC, Medion PC and Motorola Mobility LLC products and support offerings since doing the same with them after stating nothing would change. It categorically did for the worse in all cases before they were nothing more than brand names with no autonomy.

    It's the way the way the industry is going at the moment, there's now basically 3 players enjoying a game of Monopoly. HP, Dell and Lenovo.

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    Re: Another OEM bites the dust

    Is Samsung out of the pc / laptop business ? I have favourable experience with their products.
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    Re: Another OEM bites the dust

    globally, regarding notebooks they have been for a couple of years. recently though they've launched some galaxy 'book' devices to take on surface pro running W10

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    Re: Another OEM bites the dust

    there are sony, xiaomi, toshiba,Acer, Asus, MSI etc too. More players better for consumers. I have heard Toshiba are very good. Sony is also popular here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topiwala
    there are sony, xiaomi, toshiba,Acer, Asus, MSI etc too. More players better for consumers. I have heard Toshiba are very good. Sony is also popular here.
    Sony? They aren't still making PC hardware. They sold the VAIO brand to another firm in 2014. Toshiba are in dire straits financially and their entire IT Hardware division is up for sale.

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    Re: Another OEM bites the dust

    I didn't knew about Vaio sale. The newer chinese players will emerge as sales and cost war continues. Just like it is happening in mobile space. The number of players have increased in India and costs have fallen. The usable technology has reached its peak. Ten years ago electronics were too much costly. Now more and more people can afford a good enough laptop. Asus and Acer too have nice offerings for cost. Going by the trends in Mobile i am optimistic in hardware.

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    I don't rate ASUS or Acer's notebooks. They are the ones we're having to repair most frequently for customers, so while they are a good source of repair work business for small IT firms like my own we do not sell or advise people to go and buy them. Yes they are cheaper but only in the short term because you end up having them repaired more often or replacing them sooner. MSI are better quality and share a common chassis used by a lot of other OEMs made by Clevo.

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    Re: Another OEM bites the dust

    Do you maintain any data of brands and problems which you encounter in laptops? Any such professional analysis. I have HP and it has undergone repair 3 times in past 5 years.

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    Re: Another OEM bites the dust

    my partner who deals with laptops more than I do has been compiling something along those lines over the years but it's more a cross-referenced collection of hardware data, tear down procedures and notes about specific components to replace with better grade models where possible without going beyond the bounds of cost effective repair work.

    mechanicals like lid hinges (and how robust the chassis is around them), DVD+RW/Blu-Ray drives, HDD, cooling hardware, flatpanel backlights (mainly older models, a replacement flat panel is needed but newer LED backlit are much more reliable these days), snapped off power connections (if it can be soldered back then great, otherwise it's a new board).

    *poor cooling can lead to stress fractures in a plastic chassis by the hinges if a discrete GPU is in the top right or left of the keyboard tray area from repeated heat cycles and the force of the lid being opened and closed.

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    Re: Another OEM bites the dust

    Market consolidation for laptop and desktop machines was the inevitable outcome of the introduction of smartphones (and to an extent tablets).

    Prior to smartphones the ordinary person needed a computer in order to do anything on the net, and for a lot of other things as well. Now they can do their everyday computing on their phone. This meant that the market for the low price - high volume computer has dried up.

    My guess is that laptop and desktop machines will become more and more restricted to those of us who need significant computing power. This will lead the machines to migrate toward the top end of the performance range (and hence price). In turn this will further entrench phones at the lower end, and spur the development of desktop accessories for phones (such as Samsung's Dex).

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    Re: Another OEM bites the dust

    Hi Ocratato,
    Re your conjecture about top end for desktops/laptops and lower prices for tablets, cellphones. Today I don't see much of a divide. The latest Iphone if you add VAT is over $1000US. A Ryzen 7 1700 as mentioned herein was purchased for $600US. What is bugging me is the lack of competition in the market place. Its my belief that if there was more competition, we would see prices around half of what they are today. I hope that's not wishful thinking, as I am waiting for the gouging to taper off.

    To support your statements, when I visit the big box stores, such as Costco or BestBuy, More floor space is given to tablets than to laptops. Costco actually had three laptops on display and no desktops. BestBuy's floor space was taken up by big ticket items (4k large screen TVs, washing machines, etc.).

    What are we poor programmers going to do for our next computer? I believe you are right. We are going back to the twenty-five to one ratio of price to value?
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    Re: Another OEM bites the dust

    I wasn't comparing the prices of phones to computers. It will always be expensive to cram significant computing power into a hand-held device.

    Companies that specialise in high volumes (your Costco and BestBuy) will probably drop laptops and desktops from their range.
    I would expect office supplies companies will continue with business type machines for a while. This may dry up if things like the Dex get more traction.

    In the end it will be niche specialists, such as those that currently sell Linux machines, and those selling machines designed for gaming, that will be main source for people like us. The big sellers will be Dell, HP, Lenovo etc but their market will be large businesses and server farms.

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    Re: Another OEM bites the dust

    well to be fair modern smartphones already have significant computing power, even some 'budget' models. it's just a matter of that potential being tapped properly. a lot of bloat and UI customisations hold most devices back. strip it all away and use a more granular ROM like lineageOS, picking and choosing what apps you install (opengapps etc.) and the device becomes much more responsive and uses less battery.

    there's no way in the days of Pentium 3 and AMD K6 for example anyone would have believed you if you said mobile phones would be running the operating systems they do now, in some cases have more 4-6GB RAM and have quad or octa-core processors, a discrete GPU and full HD, Ultra HD displays.

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