Nvidia driver & its farcical FUD

[brebs]

A continuation of this thread. Presumably so that Hlingler can speak without being spanked by the Fedora overlords, but this all seems like a huge farce to me, so I could be totally wrong.

Edit: I'll kick-off. Do you realize that the nvidia driver prevents xorg from compiling? It's true! How horrendous. And, and..., well, that's about all. It works with everything else AFAIK.

[Hlingler]

Well, let's start with the following: First, I'll say yet again that I very much like NVidia's support of Linux, regardless of the "FOSS" debate, and therefore I prefer and recommend their products highest of all graphics vendors (for whatever that's worth). IMO, however, the binary installer leaves much to be desired.

It would help if you could refute the "official" Fedora position on the issue as stated here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xorg/3rdPartyVideoDrivers. I have found the info there to be true, exactly as stated.

Regards,
V

[leigh123linux]

Edit: I'll kick-off. Do you realize that the nvidia driver prevents xorg from compiling? It's true! How horrendous. And, and..., well, that's about all. It works with everything else AFAIK.

I have never had any issues compiling xorg-x11-server with the nvidia driver installed .
Have you got a link to back it up .

[brebs]

refute

The page looks good to me. Correct, just as you say. What exactly do you want me to refute, and why?

Were you expecting me to claim that the nvidia driver is perfect and holy? It's not. Which is obvious by the fact that it prevents the compilation of xorg - and I'd love to know the reason why. I suspect it's because the nvidia guys and the xorg free-zealots have had a lovers' tiff, just like the kernel zealots tried to do, until the sane distros said that they'd just unpatch the zealots' patches anyway.

[brebs]

I have never had any issues compiling xorg-x11-server with the nvidia driver installed .
Have you got a link to back it up .

My own experience with koji's xorg-x11-server-1.5.0-2.fc9.src.rpm:

$ rpmbuild -ba xorg-x11-server.spec
... (shown at the end, with the failure)

/bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC   --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../include -I../hw/xfree86/os-support -I../hw/xfree86/os-support/bus -I../hw/xfree86/common -I../hw/xfree86/dri -I../hw/xfree86/dri2 -I../mi   -DHAVE_DIX_CONFIG_H -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -fno-strict-aliasing -D_BSD_SOURCE -DHAS_FCHOWN -DHAS_STICKY_DIR_BIT -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/hal -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib64/dbus-1.0/include   -I/usr/kerberos/include   -I../include -I../include -I../Xext -I../composite -I../damageext -I../xfixes -I../Xi -I../mi -I../miext/shadow  -I../miext/damage -I../render -I../randr -I../fb -I/usr/include/drm -I/usr/include/X11/dri -DXFree86Server -D__GLX_ALIGN64 -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -Wstrict-overflow -MT single2swap.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/single2swap.Tpo -c -o single2swap.lo single2swap.c
 gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../include -I../hw/xfree86/os-support -I../hw/xfree86/os-support/bus -I../hw/xfree86/common -I../hw/xfree86/dri -I../hw/xfree86/dri2 -I../mi -DHAVE_DIX_CONFIG_H -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -fno-strict-aliasing -D_BSD_SOURCE -DHAS_FCHOWN -DHAS_STICKY_DIR_BIT -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/hal -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib64/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/kerberos/include -I../include -I../include -I../Xext -I../composite -I../damageext -I../xfixes -I../Xi -I../mi -I../miext/shadow -I../miext/damage -I../render -I../randr -I../fb -I/usr/include/drm -I/usr/include/X11/dri -DXFree86Server -D__GLX_ALIGN64 -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -Wstrict-overflow -MT single2.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/single2.Tpo -c single2.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/single2.o
rensize.c: In function '__glXImageSize':
rensize.c:227: error: 'GL_DEPTH_STENCIL_MESA' undeclared (first use in this function)
rensize.c:227: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
rensize.c:227: error: for each function it appears in.)
rensize.c:266: error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT_15_1_MESA' undeclared (first use in this function)
rensize.c:267: error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT_1_15_REV_MESA' undeclared (first use in this function)
rensize.c:281: error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_INT_24_8_MESA' undeclared (first use in this function)
rensize.c:282: error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_INT_8_24_REV_MESA' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[1]: *** [rensize.lo] Error 1
make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
 gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../include -I../hw/xfree86/os-support -I../hw/xfree86/os-support/bus -I../hw/xfree86/common -I../hw/xfree86/dri -I../hw/xfree86/dri2 -I../mi -DHAVE_DIX_CONFIG_H -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -fno-strict-aliasing -D_BSD_SOURCE -DHAS_FCHOWN -DHAS_STICKY_DIR_BIT -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/hal -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib64/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/kerberos/include -I../include -I../include -I../Xext -I../composite -I../damageext -I../xfixes -I../Xi -I../mi -I../miext/shadow -I../miext/damage -I../render -I../randr -I../fb -I/usr/include/drm -I/usr/include/X11/dri -DXFree86Server -D__GLX_ALIGN64 -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -Wstrict-overflow -MT single2swap.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/single2swap.Tpo -c single2swap.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/single2swap.o
mv -f .deps/single2.Tpo .deps/single2.Plo
mv -f .deps/single2swap.Tpo .deps/single2swap.Plo
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/builder/rpmbuild/BUILD/xorg-server-1.5.0/glx'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.43522 (%build)


RPM build errors:
    Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.43522 (%build)

nvidia driver installed

Now let's be clear, because we don't want to add yet more layers of FUD now do we? Of course not. So answer the question - are you referring to the nvidia drivers that Nvidia require to be installed before they will look at your problem, or the stupid Linux zealots who are holding back Linux progress version (not that I'm biased at all - I'm just enlightened).

[leigh123linux]

xorg compiles here OK with the livna nvidia driver installed ( it also work with the freshrpms dkms nvidia driver )!

[leigh05@localhost Desktop]$ rpmbuild --rebuild '/home/leigh05/Desktop/xorg-x11-server-1.5.0-2.fc9.src.rpm'

Requires: bt829_drv.so()(64bit) fi1236_drv.so()(64bit) libdbe.so()(64bit) libdri.so()(64bit) libexa.so()(64bit) libextmod.so()(64bit) libfb.so()(64bit) libfbdevhw.so()(64bit) libfreetype.so()(64bit) libglx.so()(64bit) libint10.so()(64bit) libshadow.so()(64bit) libshadowfb.so()(64bit) libvbe.so()(64bit) libvgahw.so()(64bit) libwfb.so()(64bit) libxaa.so()(64bit) libxf8_16bpp.so()(64bit) msp3430_drv.so()(64bit) tda8425_drv.so()(64bit) tda9850_drv.so()(64bit) tda9885_drv.so()(64bit) uda1380_drv.so()(64bit)
Checking for unpackaged file(s): /usr/lib/rpm/check-files /var/tmp/xorg-x11-server-1.5.0-2.fc9-root-leigh05
Wrote: /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/xorg-x11-server-common-1.5.0-2.fc9.x86_64.rpm
Wrote: /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.5.0-2.fc9.x86_64.rpm
Wrote: /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/xorg-x11-server-Xnest-1.5.0-2.fc9.x86_64.rpm
Wrote: /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/xorg-x11-server-Xdmx-1.5.0-2.fc9.x86_64.rpm
Wrote: /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/xorg-x11-server-Xvfb-1.5.0-2.fc9.x86_64.rpm
Wrote: /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/xorg-x11-server-Xephyr-1.5.0-2.fc9.x86_64.rpm
Wrote: /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/xorg-x11-server-devel-1.5.0-2.fc9.x86_64.rpm
Wrote: /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/xorg-x11-server-source-1.5.0-2.fc9.x86_64.rpm
Wrote: /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/RPMS/x86_64/xorg-x11-server-debuginfo-1.5.0-2.fc9.x86_64.rpm
Executing(%clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.77790
+ umask 022
+ cd /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/BUILD
+ cd xorg-server-1.5.0
+ rm -rf /var/tmp/xorg-x11-server-1.5.0-2.fc9-root-leigh05
+ exit 0
Executing(--clean): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.77790
+ umask 022
+ cd /home/leigh05/development/rpmbuild/BUILD
+ rm -rf xorg-server-1.5.0
+ exit 0
[leigh05@localhost Desktop]$ rpm -qa |grep nvidia
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173.14.12-1.lvn9.x86_64
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-173.14.12-1.lvn9.x86_64
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-173.14.12-1.lvn9.i386
kmod-nvidia-2.6.26.5-47.fc9.x86_64-173.14.12-5.fc9.x86_64
kmod-nvidia-173.14.12-5.fc9.x86_64
[leigh05@localhost Desktop]$

[brebs]

I can compile xorg again, after reinstalling mesa-libGL-devel-7.1-1.fc9.i386.rpm

Nvidia's own installer replaces /usr/include/GL/gl.h, which is what caused the compilation errors - it contains e.g.:

** THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROPRIETARY AND CONFIDENTIAL TO
** NVIDIA, CORPORATION.  USE, REPRODUCTION OR DISCLOSURE TO ANY THIRD PARTY
** IS SUBJECT TO WRITTEN PRE-APPROVAL BY NVIDIA, CORPORATION.

Now this actually works:

$ find /usr/include/ -type f | xargs grep GL_DEPTH_STENCIL_MESA
/usr/include/GL/gl.h:#define GL_DEPTH_STENCIL_MESA			0x8750

So, what I'd like to know is, why does nvidia deem it necessary to replace that file?

[leigh123linux]

So, what I'd like to know is, why does nvidia deem it necessary to replace that file?

This is the reason why I wont use the nvidia run file ( it also replaces other files )
The livna or freshrpms nvidia driver doesn't replace any system files.

[Hlingler]

That file (/usr/include/GL/gl.h) may or may not be the only file replaced by the binary installer, but that's enough for me: the Xorg server is not the only source code that needs that file to compile - all the Xorg video drivers and mesa (at least mesa-libGL and mesa-dri-drivers) need it, plus certain games and other source code.

Again: most users, who don't compile stuff (or: don't compile video drivers and certain games/apps) might never miss that file. For me, it's a show-stopper.

V

[brebs]

This option looks interesting:

--no-opengl-headers

[brebs]

OK, I'm much happier with --no-opengl-headers and mesa check. xorg-x11-server compiles, /usr/include/GL/gl.h is Mesa's, and all is well.

Nvidia could save people a ton of confusion if they wrote to their own filenames, e.g. nvidia-gl.h, rather than stomping over the already-present files by default.

[Hlingler]

I suspect that all four files (gl.h, glx.h, glext.h, glxext.h) are replaced. A quick diff shows huge divergences. The options shown above should apply to all four files. But the question still remains: why?

V

[brebs]

I've filed an nvidia bug.

[JohnVV]

(/usr/include/GL/gl.h)

this being replaced is one of the reasons that my svn builds of celestia encounters a " seg fault " without building / installing the devel mesa .

[kona0197]

So what about us guys that do not wish to compile anything? What do we use?