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Fedora 45 Disappointments

syborg — Thu, 12 Nov 2026 02:40:55 GMT

I use the XFCE spin, on 5 machines i my household, and the 44 to 45 upgrade process was okay except for oo7. The change from GNOME Secrets to oo7 did not happen cleanly and it required quite a bit of research to figure out how to get oo7 working correctly.

One machine developed disk issues so I replaced the disk and installed the F-45 XFCE spin. This was not an easy process. The machine has NVIDIA graphics and I kept getting black screens before I could finish the install. I was ready to buy a cheap video card just so i could install the OS. As luck would have it the video remained stable long enough for me to complete the install. It only took about a dozen attempts. What is going on with Nouveau?

Even on the clean install oo7 did not work. What the heck?

I do not know how these problems were not fully corrected before F-45 was released from beta. Very disappointed in the Fedora Team over this.

Smart Thermostats (or dumb ones if you prefer)

Spazzy — Wed, 11 Nov 2026 15:25:22 GMT

Re: @Sley mentioning smart thermostats in another thread, his timing was ideal, as I just got another over the weekend... Wrong one.

I use Nest thermostats in my house which has 8 zones on 2 heating systems. There are only 5 "smart" thermostats, but that's enough for me to have remote monitoring of the house at all points if I'm away. Currently, I have 4 original design Nest thermostats and one that's new with a different look and operation. Not only do I prefer the old one's operation, the new ones won't work on my old nest app. They use google home which I do not want to use. So, I have 2 apps for the 5 thermostats... Rrrr. I was fooled by the box photo of this thermostat thinking I was buying the old style but got the same new one's I already have. So now I have 3 I don't want, one in use, one new in the box still shrinkpacked, and one that just arrived by mistake.

Sley, they do work, so if you'd like the one I just got, pm your address and I'll ups it to ya. You can have it. I'll wire it up and test it before sending.

Another issue with the new ones, recently I flashed my main router from the original Netgear firmware to Ddwrt. The old thermostats needed rebooted, but using the same net id and password, nothing needed changed. I updated the dhcp reservations and rebooted, they were fine. The new one, not so much. That took days for me to figure out how to hardware reset it and get back to the wifi config, and without wifi, it worked at the thermostat but not from any app. This happened on a weekend I had company coming and suffice to say without control of that room, I left it run 24/7 and the way my system works with all the zones communicating, this created quite a mess.

Normally, I'm a big fan of things like this, but every one of the brands have things they do which are hurdles to overcome, and they shouldn't be. I chose nest because I figured it the least of the evils. Setting the temp of a house just ain't that hard, but they can make it hard. I live in central PA and use a thermostat designed by someone who must live in San Diego. You could write what they know about heating systems on the head of a pin, and using a wide chisel tip marker. I've spoken to HVAC guys who refuse to install the things due to all the odd crap they do at inopportune times. For instance, I once came home from work several hours late, only to find out that the thermostat decided to save me money and didn't turn the heat back on at 4:30pm to warm the house. It had shut the heat off, and I mean off. Well, when it's 5F outside and windy, you come home to a house that's 40F in the kitchen and the water in the boiler loop froze at one corner of the basement and needs thawed so the heat will work again. Furious doesn't describe me at that moment. And it turned on the second I walked in front of it as if to say, "Oh yea, I'm supposed to turn the heat on, right! I'll get on it now, sorry about that." Took me about 45 min to get the loop thawed so water would flow again, but that could have been a disaster. Moral of the story is, turn off ALL smart things about the thermostat and control it yourself.

The one thing I do not like about the nest thermostat is it has a 1 deg hysteresis which cannot be modified. On old Honeywell mercury thermostats they would have called it the "Heat Anticipator" or other brands of smart thermostat today will call it something else. But without the ability to modify that, a heating system which isn't the ideal setup for the house, short cycles. Rarely is a heating system 'ideal', and rarely is a house built to new code so it eliminates the need for that setting. The idea of it is the comfort of the house is better with the temp not going up and down more, but the reality is that it can cost a fortune and eats inducer fans and control boards like they're free (and they're not).

When I redid the entire forced air system in the house, I replaced all ductwork as well as the furnace controls and all the dampers and motors. I got rid of all Honeywell old style damper motors which are a flaming pos, and went to the commercial style Belimo power-open-power-close motors which use .007A at idle and add the ability to modulate zones intelligently. Not only is this vastly more efficient, but it also avoids stress on the ductwork which isn't as important if you have all metal ducts, but very important if ductboard is used, and I have quite a bit of it. I have quite a bit of steel also, but tape joints on ductboard can't take over-pressure situations and virtually no ductwork is designed correctly for the house and heating appliance. They are often either over-pressure on the supply or way under on the returns (or both as mine was). I also read a stat years ago that said 98% of heating systems in the US are oversized, and I believe it.

The smart thermostats gave me information that helped me tune all the other electronics so the furnace runs at it's most efficient all the time. Most of the benefit of a smart thermostat can be had by using a simple programmable one, but what those can't do is show you the data you need to do the programming correctly. They also won't show you the problems your heating system has, related to the system being too big, heat being pumped out the chimney instead of into the house, inadequate baseboard or ductwork, all that stuff is shown by the smart thermostat if you know how to look at what it shows you.

I have a spreadsheet I made which shows all sorts of info graphed with respect to the heating system. Sadly for users of this forum, it's an Excel sheet, but it will open on Openoffice, just some of the graphs are not visible and there's issues with saving and then reopening with MS. But if anyone would like to see it, I'll be happy to give a link, Pm for that. I have one for gas and another for electric, though basic electric info is also in the gas one. There's notes in the gas one showing what was done on what particular days and then graphs of the data can be viewed showing what change was made. There's some pretty profound changes. I discovered that altering the static pressure in the ducts can affect cycle times and furnace efficiency, and that it needs adjusted for winter vs summer. Closing off unused chimneys was worth like 11% of the entire annual heating bill. Replacing a gas furnace lowered the electric use by 43% annually. Stuff like that.

The company I used for the dampers, zone controllers and smart static controllers is zoningsupply.com Awesome company, best place I've dealt with for anything HVAC EVER! Recently they've started selling wifi thermostats, they didn't sell these when I did my system (and for several years after). I have not tried one of these, but my guess is if they sell it, it's the nicest one on the planet. They're on the front page of the site as I type this, and if $100 isn't a big deal, that would be what I'd recommend in spite of having never used one. I am on the fence about buying a bunch of those or just using the Arduino R4-Wifi's I bought for the project of building my own entire network of communicating smart thermostats. I have a lot of ideas how a zoned system can benefit by central control over the heat calls and I'm on the fence about taking the time to do it. I have the stuff to get started if Fedora would just work long enough for me to use my computer rather than working on it.

Holy smokes that was long winded. Sorry.

mouse follows cursor

feddy — Wed, 11 Nov 2026 10:45:52 GMT

Hi,

I'm using Fed44 LXQT spin. Fresh installation.

I'm used to having window focus follows mouse cursor.
IIRC this used to be accessible by Preferences | Openbox Settings

This is now blocked:

Quote:

Ob-conf-Qt is unsupported under Wayland

Can I still set this on Wayland or do I need to install Fed43 and work my way up :?

TIA

Does F44 and F45 install iso need a network?

feddy — Tue, 10 Nov 2026 15:45:46 GMT

Hi,

I had an nice clean LXQT Fed43 installation which I had upgraded to Fed 44 six months ago. All went perfectly.

I had to do a forced power cycle this morning and it trashed the root fs. Booted to emergency mode and fsck found thousands of errors and trashed the partition.

Not my day!

OK I thought, install directly to Fed 45 now its out.

1. turned off automatic NTP and set TZ to London where it is destined to live.
2. set custom / and /boot to my old partitions and let it format both.
3. let it run install to disk.

All seemed OK but it ended up with a tidy message saying it failed because there was no network.
Hey, NOTHING checks that before starting or warns that it needed a configured network ?

Tried again explicitly turning off wifi and networking in NM before starting , in case that led it to expect something which was not available.
Also deselected DCHP option and typed a hostname.

Same result.

Dropped back to Fed44 iso.

No failure , no network needed.

Did I miss a trick or does Fed 45 now need a mandatory network access but just fail to warn before falling on its arse and requiring me to start afresh?

TIA.

Colour Me Cautious -- kernel 7.3.3-200

Dan — Tue, 10 Nov 2026 05:16:44 GMT

Just saw this available tonight, but I haven't been on the computer much in the last few days. libheif-1.23.7-1.fc44 is still being a poison pill (conflicts from RPMFusion versions) but just because the 7.3 kernel series kick off is available, may not make it a smart move. Anyone having issues with it in F44 on older gear?

sleep mode with fedora

rholme — Mon, 09 Nov 2026 18:23:56 GMT

I generally put my computer to sleep when I leave the room. Just habit from the old days, but anyway.
Several months ago, I come back and enter my password and get a black screen telling me to hita any key.
If I hit Cntrl-ALT-F3, I sometimes get back but sometimes get a dumb terminal session first.
(terminal session asking login).
Sometimes it goes away but more often I have to login and reboot.

This is a royal PITA. I am running Fedora 43. I would prefer not to upgrade right now.
Is there anything I can do after I login to the dumb terminal to force the screen manager back?
Or better yet, go back to where login works (Fedora 42 and before).

Any ideas appreciated.

[SOLVED] how to list all packages installed

rholme — Mon, 09 Nov 2026 13:58:39 GMT

I should have kept a list of packages as I installed them but did not. They say "dnf list installed" will give that list. I tried as me and tried as root - all I see is fedora itself. Also tried
dnf repolist AND dnf list --extras (both done as root)

Is there any way I can get a list of the products I have installed over time for future reference? I know there are several.
When i upgrade to next fedora revision, this list will save a lot of time.

Also tried: dnf list --installed
huge list but a lot of these are default - I just want the EXTRA packages that I added
AND: dnf list extras
this says I have none - which is wrong

switch user causes issue on login

deathgaze — Mon, 09 Nov 2026 13:51:01 GMT

so im on fedora 45 kde and when i switch users everything is fine but when i try to log back into the user i just switched from its almost as if the screen freezes and i cant even move my mouse BUT if i hi ctrl+alt+F4 it takes me back to the screen i was on when i switched users and i can again type in my password in wich it successfully unlocks my user acount. why dose this happen and how do i fix it thanks.

NOTE: Also before i forget doing all this causes a nice side effect where once im loged back in i cant click shutdown or reboot i have to do it from konsole or nothing happens when i click it except smoe disk activity lights blinking for a second.

getting started with fedora server and cockpit

madscientist132 — Mon, 09 Nov 2026 03:19:21 GMT

I'd like to set up a server at home, one able to keep a common folder between computers and host websites to the world.
I know how to make ethernet cords and how to connect hubs but my networking knowledge is too basic.
I'd like to learn how to set up subnets and get computets in them. Does exist any book i can get for learn this?
Does exist any manner of getting the support website to be read offline in a tablet?

Ctrl-Alt-F1 not working

swashplate — Sun, 08 Nov 2026 13:22:00 GMT

Hello all!

Yesterday I upgraded my HP Pavillion Laptop from Fedora 44 to fedora 45.

Normally, i would use 'Ctrl-Alt-F2' to go to the terminal screen to check updates etc. Then 'Ctrl-Alt-F1' to back to the Mate GUI

Ctrl-Alt-f2 works and takes me to the terminal screen, font is larger as well. But Ctrl-Alt-f1 just locks, and I have to reboot to get back to the GUI.

I am on fedora kernel 7.12.15-300.fc45.x86-64 with the MATE 1.28.2 desktop.

I have the AMD Ryzen 5 5500U. This is some terminal output (using the MATE terminal emulator):

chris@fedora:~$ inxi -G
Graphics:
Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.25 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.14 driver: X:
loaded: amdgpu unloaded: modesetting dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu
resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 vendor: amd mesa v: 26.2.6 renderer: AMD Radeon
Graphics (radeonsi renoir ACO DRM 3.64 7.2.15-300.fc45.x86_64)
API: EGL Message: EGL data requires eglinfo. Check --recommends.
Info: Tools: api: glxinfo x11: xdriinfo, xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
chris@fedora:~$ cat /proc/cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=(hd0,gpt2)/vmlinuz-7.2.15-300.fc45.x86_64 root=UUID=3bd4fb30-798f-4076-9a7a-15ff9eb42bdd ro rootflags=subvol=root rhgb quiet
chris@fedora:~$

Any ideas?

[SOLUTION] CurseForge crashing on Fedora 45 � "No usable version of libssl was found"

calliopeia — Sun, 08 Nov 2026 09:49:13 GMT

Hi,

Not sure where to put this thread/solution, but to make life a bit easier for CurseForge users/gamers I put it here.
Please let me know if you want me to move this to another part of the forum.

To the problem at hand:
I'm launching CurseForge with curseforge-latest-linux.appimage

PROBLEM
I had trouble launching CurseForge on Fedora 45 (This happened after I upgraded from Fedora 44, it worked before the upgrade). The application would start, but its background process (Mods Agent) kept crashing and CurseForge was unable to connect to it.
After investigating the logs, I found a likely cause: CurseForge's bundled .NET agent could not find a usable OpenSSL version.

SYMPTOMS
In the CurseForge logs (~/.config/CurseForge/logs/), I found this error:

Agent stderr: No usable version of libssl was found

This was followed by errors such as:

Can't connect to Mods Agent: ECONNRESET
Failed to connect to Mods Agent

The Fedora system logs also showed that Curse.Agent.Host crashed with Signal: 6 (ABRT).

CAUSE
My Fedora 45 installation had OpenSSL 4 installed:

openssl-libs-4.0.3
libssl.so.4
libcrypto.so.4

However, CurseForge's .NET agent could not find an OpenSSL version it could use.

SOLUTION
Install the OpenSSL 3 compatibility libraries. OpenSSL 3 can coexist with OpenSSL 4, so there is no need to downgrade or replace the system OpenSSL installation.

sudo dnf install openssl3-libs

Verify the installation

ldconfig -p | grep libssl

You should now see both OpenSSL versions, including:

libssl.so.3 => /lib64/libssl.so.3
libssl.so.4 => /lib64/libssl.so.4

RESULT
The OpenSSL 3 compatibility package installed successfully alongside OpenSSL 4, without requiring any changes to Fedora's core system libraries.

Note: This is the suspected compatibility issue identified in my case. I have not yet confirmed that the fix resolves the CurseForge startup problem, or that all Fedora 45 users are affected.

Hopefully this helps someone else experiencing the same issue!

FedoraKDE display corruption between Splash Screens

Bigs11 — Sun, 08 Nov 2026 06:56:41 GMT

I've persevered with AI trying to fix this issue, and am ready to pull my hair out.

I have a FedoraKDE installation, as below
KDE Plasma version 6.8.2
KDE Frameworks Version 6.3.1.0
QT Version 6.11.2
Kernel Version 7.2.15-200.fc44.x86_64 (64bit)
Graphics Platform: Wayland
Hardware:
Processors: 6xintel core i5-9400F cpu@2.9GHz
Memory: 16GiB
Graphics Processor: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
Mainboard: Gigabyte Z390UD

My problem is when I bootup from cold, I get a Fedora Splash screen, then a KDE Splash screen.
Inbetween the 2 screens, I get a full screen display corruption showing a white background with bands of jagged Green/Blue/Yellow horizontal lines.
If I immediately reboot, I have no problem with the display. It's only after about an hour of shutdown that I get display corruption.
How can I fix this?
I've tried numerous AI remedies, including disabling Splash and running full screen text. But that's annoying as I then get text on Shutdown as well.

I get it when I boot into MintCinnamon as well,
but never when I boot into windows11

Thanks in advance

Speed of installation for Fedora 45, any interface

lsatenstein — Sat, 07 Nov 2026 17:48:49 GMT

I recently completed an installation of Fedora 45kde.

During the startup of the installation, from start to where I could respond to a prompt for language and keyboard was just over one half hour.
I then switched to using the Everything.iso and I had the same elapsed time.

The everything.iso did not offer xfce, so I downloaded the xfce iso and actually, after 30 minutes of waiting for xfce language/keyboard prompt, I gave up.

In my view, the Fedora anaconda that is fully web based is a beta. The cause of the delay, the elapsed time, especially of a user has slower internet speeds is internet speed.
For example, My internet speed is 1 meg byte rate, (2400x5) and there is a one half hour anaconda setup before anything happens.

CONJECTURE.
===========
I believe that the Fedora 44 version, installed and then immediately followed by an update would take half the time that the direct Fedora 45 installation, needed. 15 minutes in lieu of 30+ minutes.

I also believe that relying entirely on the anaconda being web based is wrong. Being web based, the installation is single threaded, only one communication taking place at a time.

Fedora wanted to reduce maintenance, and went network install. What they should have done, is use the network install to transfer one file, a memory based installation program that immediately runs and does installation time to a minimum.

I am going to retry the xfce installation. If lucky or not, I will post an update.

oo7 Fail After 44 to 45 Update

syborg — Sat, 07 Nov 2026 01:15:39 GMT

I just updated to 45 and am having keyring issues with evolution. I have to re-enter my passwords each time I start evolution as they are not being saved in the new oo7 keyring.

systemctl --user status oo7-daemon gives this output:

oo7-daemon.service - Secret service (oo7 implementation)
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/oo7-daemon.service; disabled; preset: disabled)
Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/user/service.d
└─10-timeout-abort.conf
Active: inactive (dead)

How so I get 007 working correctly? This is not unique to my system as my wife's computer has the same problem.

Upgrade from 44 to 45 went flawless

rclark — Fri, 06 Nov 2026 21:06:22 GMT

Just a kudos to Fedora. Last night I upgraded from 44 to 45 (KDE version) in a VM and it went flawless. KUbuntu 26.04 LTS being the host system. No cleanups or anything. Just kicked it off from command line, reboot, upgrade completes, reboot, done. So far so good. just like it should!

Only thing I don't care for in the upgrade is it hides what it is doing. I like to see all the new files flying by and messages. Just a stupid 'bar' in middle of screen to show where it is at in the process. I guess Window-itis is sneaking in... :) .