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sej7278
20th January 2005, 08:06 PM
I'm getting to the end of my tether with WinXP, I'm just fed up of things not working! Lately I bought a DV camcorder, and trying to get it onto a DVD (or even XviD) has been a nightmare of crashes.

So I'm thinking of finally sacrificing my main box (2.5GHz AthlonXP+M, 1Gb RAM, 400Gb HDD, 16x DVD burner etc.) to Linux, instead of using my old 1.4GHz 512Mb Athlon (which currently runs FC3)

I've been a long time Linux user (from RH6) but have never completely ditched Windows, so I'm analysing what I use Windows for and would appreciate it if you could point out some alternatives on Linux. Here goes:

1. DVD backup: DVD Shrink (http://www.dvdshrink.org/), DVD Decrypter (http://www.dvddecrypter.com/), Nero Recode (http://www.nero.com/us/27531.html)
DVD::Rip (http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/) with libcss or even DVD Shrink under WINE (http://www.winehq.com/) could do this, no?

2. DVD authoring: TMPGEnc DVD Author (http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tda_feature.html) Nero Vision Express (http://www.nero.com/us/NeroVision_Express_3.html), Sony DVD Architect (http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/products/showproduct.asp?pid=912)
DVD Styler (http://dvdstyler.sourceforge.net/) looks OK, any others?

3. Video editting: Sony Vegas (http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/products/showproduct.asp?pid=912) (DV), mpeg-vcr (http://www.womble.com/vcr-text.htm) (analogue MPEG)
Don't know any Linux alternatives..... How well does Firewire work under FC3? And what about NTFS support for writing large files?

4. DVD/CD burning: Nero (http://www.nero.com/us/Nero_Burning_ROM_6_Features.html)
How good is K3B (http://www.k3b.org/)? I've used XCDRoast (http://www.xcdroast.org/) before and thought it was crap. Anything like Nero that makes it easy to make DVD movies, SVCD's and plain data CDs? What about 8.5Gb dual layer DVD+R DL?

5. Video transcoding: TMPGEnc+ (http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tp.html)
What utilities are there for converting between MPEG2, AVI, DivX, XviD etc? DVD::Rip requires a DVD (works from VOBs), I'd prefer to do file-to-file.

6. Games: UT2003/2004
I'm not much of a gamer, but like the occasional fragfest, I know UT has a Linux version, but will the ATI accelerated 3D drivers work with my Radeon 8500? I'm not totally adverse to buying an Nvidia FX5600 or something cheap if that would work better.

Obviously things like internet, office and programming are well covered already, I have the Linux version of VMWare for testing on other platforms.

A friend of mine would probably convert to Linux totally too if you could add to this list sound mixing, jukebox and editting programs like SoundForge (http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/Products/ShowProduct.asp?PID=668). But I've never been impressed with sound hardware support from Fedora....

Edit: also, I'd need support for the SATA controller on my NForce2 motherboard.

ilja
20th January 2005, 08:08 PM
moved to software

taylor65
20th January 2005, 08:53 PM
I use the following for making DVDs of home movies: kino, dvdstyler, k3b

for mpeg video editing, I use avidemux2, works pretty good.

kino and k3b work great. dvdstyler has a couple bugs, but nothing major. i'm currently looking at qdvdauthor also, but it looks like it doesn't have some features of dvdstyler that i use. if you want to get firewire working, search for my how-to 'setup fc3 for average desktop'. as for ntfs, it's proprietary and you can't write to an ntfs partition with linux, but why would you need to - just make your ext3 partition big enough to hold all your dv and mpeg files. as for music, i like rhythmbox.

sej7278
20th January 2005, 10:15 PM
Q DVD Author (http://qdvdauthor.sourceforge.net/) looks at least as good as TMPGEnc DVD Author or NeroVE, maybe not quite as good as DVD Architect, but that's usually overkill for what I use it for (simple menus, JPEG slideshows).

The NTFS thing is because I have a Firewire drive that I use to share data between various [Windows] computers, and NTFS is for the big filesizes. It's not such a huge issue, I could use Samba (slower than 1394) or burn to a DVD-RW.

Your howto is here (http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=26997&highlight=setup+fc3+average+desktop) BTW. I'd like to get USB2 to work too, I can't even get USB1.1 to work on my 1.4GHz.

Dewey
21st January 2005, 02:42 AM
Your 8500 is supported by ATI drivers.

As far as cd burning, K3B works great for me, never had a real problem. Occasionally I get errors burning at 32x (which is to be expected) but a simple drop to 16x works perfect.

sej7278
21st January 2005, 04:19 AM
Updates:

Seems my 8500 is the earliest card ATI supports with it's Proprietary Linux drivers (http://www.ati.com/products/catalyst/linux.html#2)

Xine and Mplayer play encrypted DVD's fine (drive is region-free too!) using libdvdcss/libdvdread, seems to have issues with PAL though....

Dag (or freshrpms) have dvdauthor and xine-lib-devel (needed by qdvdauthor), avidemux2 (http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/) (which looks great!) and kino (http://kino.schirmacher.de/) (looks like a decent editor, as well as 1394/DV capture tool). Their mjpegtools RPM seems to only be the man pages though! qdvdauthor segfaults on exit for some reason.....

DVD Shrink 3.2 installs and runs fine under Crossover Office Pro 4.1, it just can't rip from DVD (needs VOBs on hard disk, or ISO).

K3B supports writing Video DVD's, as well as VCD's and data etc.

'mplayer dvd://1 -dumpstream' is too slow, DVD::Rip took about 20mins, then errored that it had only ripped 1 frame of 32000 or so! I don't know how to rip an ISO image, dvdbackup (http://dvd.chevelless230.com/dvdbackup.html) (also on dag) errored on one disk and was successful on another (took 30mins), maybe it's the crappy NEC1100a I have in the 1.4GHz box....

Edit: avidemux2 created an XviD of my one successful rip, I guess I used it wrong as it only created a 10 minute file.

DVD Shrink is now re-compressing the ripped DVD, when it's done, I'm going to try to burn a video DVD using k3b....

At this point I'm tempted to take out my XP boot drive on my main box, and replace it with a spare to install FC3 on..... I want to test if the ripping issue is just down to the drive or if it's a failure in libdvdread.

So in summary it looks like the best option is dvdbackup + DVDShrink under WINE, as I don't think you can get DVD Decrypter to work under WINE without ide-scsi (also set --winver win95)

Ph34rT3hP3ngu1n
26th January 2005, 09:21 PM
yeah i practically use the same progs, like soundforge, vegas and architect. I hav'e relly played around with installling them with wine yet, but will eventually get around to it. k3b works great for data and audio cds, but i have't ever burnt a dvd with fedora... I don't know why people have problems with firewire, it was all automatic for my card, i just plugged my ipod in and it mounted it as a 19 gig firewire drive... Good luck with fedora.
so far win xp hasn't killed me, maybe cause i micromanage every single part of the system.... It never crashes, get viruses or spyware and runs perfect, i must have some hacked version or something if it runs this good :)
hope your switch goes smoothly!
-ph34r

greatscot
26th January 2005, 09:32 PM
Also, have a look at this post (http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=28672) (http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=28672).

sej7278
26th January 2005, 10:39 PM
i've pretty much got everything working now. i'm very disappointed with the ripping.

burning was a bit odd too - i had to make dvd shrink fit to about 4200mb instead of 4300mb so that k3b would burn it to dvd+r

Ph34rT3hP3ngu1n - i noticed your xp doesn't crash and you're using a pentium4 - i really think most of my windows issues are due to athlon problems.

Ph34rT3hP3ngu1n
27th January 2005, 04:25 PM
hmm, maybe that's it... my mom's e-machine and dell laptop never worked as good as my desktop one with a p4 mobile and the other a celeron... but let me know how the sony products work in cedega/wine...
-ph34r

sej7278
27th January 2005, 06:22 PM
hmm, maybe that's it... my mom's e-machine and dell laptop never worked as good as my desktop one with a p4 mobile and the other a celeron... but let me know how the sony products work in cedega/wine...
-ph34r

i'm not going to try the sony products under cxoffice, i really want to ditch them for linux alternatives.

there's no point converting to linux just to emulate windows programs - it's the programs i hate more than the os. xp is stable enough for me, but the programs are making it flaky.

Ph34rT3hP3ngu1n
28th January 2005, 02:14 PM
mmmkay, but i will never convert from photoshop to the gimp, it's not an exact exchange. I've just had a lot of experience with the software without problems. The other day i just got counter-strike running on fc3 which is something i've NEVER been able to do (thank you ATI for releasing a driver that works!).
-ph34r

JayRx1981
16th February 2005, 06:48 AM
I use DVDShrink in Wine/Crossover office (I have both, but use Crossover for now until I get wine tweaked to my liking and before my crossover trial expires). I have it set to run in WinXP mode and in both programs (regular wine and Crossover standard) I can get it to read from the DVD drive without any ASPI errors. It just HAS to be in win2k or winxp mode to do so. The program then analyzes, rips, and shrinks just fine. All I have to do then is burn it in K3B. :)

dwflo
15th July 2005, 08:55 AM
Hey all, just wish I was as lucky with ripping DVDs. Can't seem to get them compliled or run, if installed. Seems none of them recogize the locations of all the required codecs, libraries and multimedia add-ons required.
Until they write them for the x86_64 platform, I will just have to wait. :(

nephila
15th July 2005, 10:14 AM
1. Never done DVD stuff, But I am sure that software exists to do this on Linux.

2. Ditto

3. Virtual Dub which runs on Windows and Linux is pretty decent for an open source program. If you're looking for something more advanced or professional, there are but expect to pay for them.

4. There Nero for lInux and a host of other open source applications available for linux.

5. I think Virtual Dub will take care of that, and there are probably other applications.

6. People have got UT, CS and a host of others to run on linux with frame rates comparable to that of windows.

ATI cards are supported and NVidia are very well supported.

Make the switch. The only way you'll know if it really works is by doing it. And don't be afraid to get your hands dirty, you may need to configure and tweak things to get them to work correctly!

chile712
15th July 2005, 06:41 PM
I've had problems with firewire in FC3 and FC4, so i just use USB 2.0. It so easy to work with and i have no problems with it. If k3b doesnt work for you. You could always go to nero's site and get the linux verion of nero.

Avix
18th August 2005, 04:40 PM
most of the stuff I have found is for DV camcorders and firewire input only, I'm interested in importing all my old VHS and the odd thing off TV (PRV) onto a DVD but I can't find anything that captures well through S-Video. TVTime etc only show as black and white without audio if they show at all.