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bob
3rd November 2015, 04:01 PM
Fedora 23 released
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It's (approximately) Halloween, so you know what that means new
Fedora! The Fedora 23 release is here, and it's better than ever
before. We're pleased to bring you the latest incarnations of the three
main Fedora editions Fedora Workstation, Fedora Cloud, and Fedora
Server, each built with love by the Fedora community to custom-fit your
needs in different areas. Fedora 23 is also available in alternate
desktop Spins, curated software Labs, and special images for the ARM
processor architecture.

If that's all you need to hear, download from https://getfedora.org/,
or if you already use Fedora, follow the simple upgrade steps at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading.

Otherwise, read on for details.


Fedora Workstation
------------------

If you're a software developer, laptop or home user, hobbyist,
enthusiast, or student, Fedora Workstation is perfect for you. Fedora
Workstation includes the newest release of the GNOME desktop, which
makes your everyday computing simple, polished, and pleasant.
Experience the sleek interface and powerful tools for yourself
download Fedora Workstation now.

* https://getfedora.org/workstation

Fedora Server
------------

Fedora Server makes service management simple with RoleKit, a
programmatic interface for quick deployment, and Cockpit, a remote web
GUI. Now in Fedora Server 23, you can manage Kubernetes clusters from
the Cockpit Admin Console, or launch a FreeIPA domain controller from a
kickstart file. Get Fedora Server this morning and have an identity
management solution in place by lunchtime.

* https://getfedora.org/server

Fedora Cloud
------------

Build scale-out computing with Fedora Cloud. The Fedora Cloud Base
image provides a minimal OS platform which can be downloaded for use in
OpenStack, or launched directly into EC2. Fedora Atomic Host takes
things in a more radical direction, providing a specialized system for
running Docker containers and Atomic Apps. Now with Fedora 23, Fedora
Atomic Host will be updated on a two-week cycle to keep at the edge of
emerging technology. Download or launch a Fedora Cloud image for your
chosen cloud provider, or as a Vagrant box for local development.

* https://getfedora.org/cloud/


Spins, Labs, and ARM
--------------------

Fedora Spins are alternative desktops for Fedora that provide a
different experience than the standard Fedora Workstation edition. For
instance, the Fedora KDE and Fedora Xfce spins provide popular
alternatives to GNOME for Fedora users who enjoy the KDE or Xfce
experience. Fedora 23 also introduces a Cinnamon spin, which provides a
"traditional" desktop layout with the modern GNOME 3 shell.

* https://spins.fedoraproject.org

Fedora Labs are curated collections of software maintained by members
of the Fedora Community where you can find updated live media focused
on Games, Design, Robotics, and more. These may be installed on their
own or as add-ons to existing Fedora installations.

* https://labs.fedoraproject.org

We also provide a version of the Fedora operating system tailored for
running in on ARM-based systems, previously mixed into the Spins page
but now with a dedicated download page.

* https://arm.fedoraproject.org


Updated Components
------------------

As with every Fedora release, almost every component has a new version,
with improvements across the board. Of particular note, Fedora
Workstation includes the GNOME 3.18 desktop environment and the Libre
Office 5.0 office suite.

Fedora 23 also has important under-the-hood security improvements, with
increased hardening for all compiled software and with insecure SSL3
and RC4 protocols disabled. We've also updated all of the software
installed by default in Fedora Cloud Base Image and Fedora Workstation
to use Python version 3, and the Mono .NET compatible framework is now
at version 4.

Perhaps most importantly, Unicode 8.0 support now enables the crucial
U1F32D character.


Downloads, upgrades, documentation, and common bugs
---------------------------------------------------

You can start by downloading Fedora 23:

* https://getfedora.org/

If you are upgrading from a previous release of Fedora, refer to:

* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading

Read the full release notes for Fedora 23:

* https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/23/html/Release_Notes/

Fedora 23 common bugs are documented at:

* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F23_bugs

This page includes information on several known bugs in Fedora 23.
Please be sure to read it before installing!

Contributing
------------

We hope you're as excited as we are about Fedora 23 and look forward to
exploring it yourself. Don't forget Fedora never stands still as
we're always working towards a new and better release by sharing our
work with the world. Want to be part of the fun? It's easy to get
involved. There are many ways to contribute to Fedora, even if it's
just bug reporting. You can also help translate software and content,
test and give feedback on software updates, write and edit
documentation, design and do artwork, help with all sorts of
promotional activities, and package free software for use by millions
of Fedora users worldwide.

To get started, visit http://whatcanidoforfedora.org/ today!

lsatenstein
3rd November 2015, 04:04 PM
Some links for Fedora 23 are pointing to Fedora 22 documents. It is best to wait for the latest and greatest

nonamedotc
3rd November 2015, 04:16 PM
Contributing
------------

We hope you're as excited as we are about Fedora 23 and look forward to
exploring it yourself. Don't forget Fedora never stands still as
we're always working towards a new and better release by sharing our
work with the world. Want to be part of the fun? It's easy to get
involved. There are many ways to contribute to Fedora, even if it's
just bug reporting. You can also help translate software and content,
test and give feedback on software updates, write and edit
documentation, design and do artwork, help with all sorts of
promotional activities, and package free software for use by millions
of Fedora users worldwide.

To get started, visit http://whatcanidoforfedora.org/ today!

This website is pretty nice! :)

bob
3rd November 2015, 04:22 PM
Leslie, I've updated the link to FedoraProject to reflect the correct links. Can't help it if the Project glitches their own publication. :D

EDIT: Well now! That's not at all good. The ISO I downloaded didn't load correctly and I jumped back in to get another from the Official FedoraProject site .... and now it's giving me a 404 !??? Nice work guys (not).

BTW, if you're in a rush, here's the mirrorlist: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mirrormanager/
I'm downloading a fresh ISO from one of the mirrors that's operational.
(https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mirrormanager/)

joncr
3rd November 2015, 06:27 PM
This is where I usually go: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/23/. Typically fast for me.

antikythera
3rd November 2015, 06:47 PM
I prefer to use torrents. They are fast and reliable. The download is checksum checked because of being seeded afterwards via transmission or whatever client you prefer to use.

https://torrents.fedoraproject.org

dcharlespyle
5th November 2015, 04:33 AM
Bummed. Upgrading to 23 broke compiz on my mate-compiz spin installation. Constant crashing and windows without title bars.

fibster
5th November 2015, 05:29 AM
Another superb release by our friends and fellow earthlings in the fedora community!

Mucho gracias

~todd

RahulSundaram
5th November 2015, 05:31 AM
Bummed. Upgrading to 23 broke compiz on my mate-compiz spin installation. Constant crashing and windows without title bars.

Is that the same for a new user?

fibster
5th November 2015, 05:31 AM
FYI
I simply followed the instructions on updating F22 to 23
Worked like a charm...
I had to remove my ugly plugins first tho

dcharlespyle
5th November 2015, 11:56 AM
Is that the same for a new user?

Yes, all users are affected, including new users.

dcharlespyle
5th November 2015, 12:17 PM
FYI
I simply followed the instructions on updating F22 to 23
Worked like a charm...
I had to remove my ugly plugins first tho

DNF doesn't with yumex handle dependencies issues very well. At least, not as well as yum could. Before I could even proceed to upgrade I had to remove part of Mesa first. Then it would let me upgrade. I then logged in after the upgrade and compiz crashes were the order of the day. I reinstalled mesa, including the components I removed before, and no change. Switching back to Marco at least gave me a usable system but even after updates this morning there still is still no change. I cannot use compiz on a mate-compiz spin after upgrading to 23, even on new users.

My other machine doesn't seem to be having the issue as badly, but it still had an issue until I turned off indirect rendering. Doing that didn't help the problem machine at all.

Differences between the two are that the one with the issue is a dual-monitor rig and the other isn't, and the dual-monitor rig is running GDM and the other is running LightDM. I'd use lightDM but it places the login on the wrong screen and has serious issues right now, including if I set it using xrandr I get the login on the correct screen but then screen order reverses when I log on. I do not have these issues with GDM, and, even if I did, I can set a configuration file that would correct for that.

Another difference is that the computer with the problem is running on an ATi Radeon HD 5750 and the other is an Intel 4000. The rig with the issues is using the BlackMATE theme and the other blue submarine. But, alas, changing the theme made no difference whatsoever on the problem machine.

Just noticed another oddity. The icons do not show on the forum that I am using Fedora but I am. I just get a generic linux icon. For some reason my linux version and distribution isn't being reported.

bob
5th November 2015, 12:20 PM
People, don't forget that this is a News item and that discussions on problems should be handled under other sub-Forums.

tjohnson
6th November 2015, 11:18 PM
I'm confused. According to this thread, F23 has already been officially released, but when I go to getfedora.org, it still offers F22 for download and mentions F23 as a beta in the sidebar. Where can I download the final F23 release?

joncr
6th November 2015, 11:47 PM
I'm confused. According to this thread, F23 has already been officially released, but when I go to getfedora.org, it still offers F22 for download and mentions F23 as a beta in the sidebar. Where can I download the final F23 release?

Odd. You've refreshed the page?

In any case, here's a link for Workstation aka Gnome. (https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/) A link on that page points to the Spins.

tjohnson
6th November 2015, 11:52 PM
Odd. You've refreshed the page?

In any case, here's a link for Workstation aka Gnome. (https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/) A link on that page points to the Spins.
Ah, thanks. Ctrl+F5 did it. I don't know why, but my browser's cache needed to be cleared for that page.

Gruntle
7th November 2015, 12:00 PM
Another superb release by our friends and fellow earthlings in the fedora community!

Mucho gracias

~todd

I hope that's a joke.

Anyone using the NVIDIA dbinary river had their system broken - because they insisted on using xorg 1.18 which breaks the NVIDIA driver. The solution was to force a downgrade to xorg 1.17 and lock it there.

The system works with 1.17. Get that... it works. They could have used 1.17 and updated it later once the NVIDIA support was in place.

They knew this... and they rendered the systems of lots of new users unusable for no good reason other than "meh. not our fault."

I've been using Red Hat/Fedora since... oh... pre 2000. I'm simply at a loss for words at how foolish and self-destructive this decision was.

joncr
7th November 2015, 01:05 PM
Anyone using the NVIDIA dbinary river had their system broken - because they insisted on using xorg 1.18 which breaks the NVIDIA driver.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. Any user, new or otherwise, who wants to use Nvidia's drivers bears the responsibility of determining which, if any, of the drivers is appropriate. That info can be found at the Nvidia site.

I don't think it's the role of a distribution with Fedora's aims and commitment to free software to make compromises to accommodate third-party proprietary software.

Nvidia's drivers are not part of Fedora and are not made available by any site affiliated with Fedora or Red Hat.

antikythera
7th November 2015, 01:24 PM
Fedora is also cutting edge orientated. As such they are going to use the latest Xorg 1.18 as it works fine with opensource drivers included in Fedora. It is up to NVIDIA to sort their own compatibility issues and provide an updated driver.

Gruntle, it falls to you the end user to decide to upgrade or not before those third-party proprietary closed source drivers become available with support for Xorg 1.18 mentioned in release notes. So because you upgraded before they were ready, it is nobody else's fault than your own that your system is 'broken'.

Gruntle
7th November 2015, 01:51 PM
Fedora is also cutting edge orientated. As such they are going to use the latest Xorg 1.18 as it works fine with opensource drivers included in Fedora. It is up to NVIDIA to sort their own compatibility issues and provide an updated driver.

Gruntle, it falls to you the end user to decide to upgrade or not before those third-party proprietary closed source drivers become available with support for Xorg 1.18 mentioned in release notes. So because you upgraded before they were ready, it is nobody else's fault than your own that your system is 'broken'.

I never ceased to be amazed at the completely delusional approach to this kind of problem by Linux distros and those who defend it. It's not as if NVIDIA said they won't support it... they just said they don't support pre-release xorg. Having been an exclusive Linux at home since before the millennium I'm staggered that still Fedora doesn't even have the sense NOT to leave newbies (the people we want to welcome) sitting there shafted after an upgrade - not by mistake, but by design and over something essentially trivial.

But hey... kicking a dead whale along a beach.

bob
7th November 2015, 02:05 PM
Well, this was supposed to be just an announcement of F23's release and it's morphed into discussions of problems and philosophy which really need to be in other sub-Forums. So, rather than move posts around, I'll just close this thread and let the members find more suitable sub-Forums for further discussion.