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Shadow Skill
5th November 2004, 03:38 AM
Are articles allowed to come out that say stupid things like windows is more secure because of fewer manual intrusions, whilst not tacking into account worms and virsuses.[automated intrusions.] The whole reason manual intrusions are 64% of Linux intrusions is that, that is pretty much the only way you are getting into a *nix machine. How can people print this kind of garbage.....Ah what am I talking about America voted into a void tuesday with machines that had MODEMS attatached to them, modems for god's sake. I can tell you right now those things got hacked either client side or server side where the votes were "counted." one woman in florida even saw her votes change when she went to review them before submitting and had to get lawyers to allow her to vote again the way she wanted. So I shouldn't be surprised at crap articles swearing that windows is more secure than Linux. [I can accept that this article said os X was better than the other two, but Linux behind windows in security...no way.]

bob
5th November 2004, 04:02 AM
Shadow, it's over man. We've got 4 years to get those modems secured. So an article provided half truths or non-truths? We just went through a full year of election rhetoric with little or no truth involved. Anyone suing anyone over that?

Of course Bill Gates is going to spout off about the security of Windows over Linux. He's a business man and wants to dominate the market with his product, so he'll commission studies to prove that his system is best. After all, he's up against a low-cost or no-cost alternative to his OS that is more advanced at it's core. He'd better fight or he'll have a whole lot of people learning Linux at work and coming home to use it.

Shadow Skill
5th November 2004, 04:19 AM
Try 50 years my friend Bush will be apointing the next supreme court justice's He owns congress and the House, and he WILL own the Senate regardless of wether anyone votes or not the machines all but guaranteed it this election. There won't be anyone able to remove those things the "civil" way my friend. I am going to be a very old man by the time there will be a real chance to take back the country, anyone over 25 probably will be dead by then. This was my first election and it only confirmed what I have thought for some time now, that Democracy does not and has not ever existed here or anywhere else on Earth. They will also push E-voting [Probably will be powered by Microsoft Longhorn with active-x to the brim.] the voting machines are not the end of it.

Dog-One
5th November 2004, 04:37 AM
So are you starting to understand why us folks talk about beer so much? ;)

Shadow Skill
5th November 2004, 04:44 AM
Yes if I were old enough I'd have gotten plastered wensday, you know during the washington state primary they found that 3 hours of logs were missing from the voting machines and there were also a lot of modem trouble slips indicative of hacking attempts. You can read it at blackboxvoting.org if you think I'm just talking out of my ass here or borderline flaiming over the election.

bob
5th November 2004, 05:04 AM
Not my first election; been doing that since Kennedy/Nixon. Been in a fallout shelter, watched my draft status turn 1A, sweated out the Cuban Missle Crisis, 444 days in Iran, Mao trying to bury us & the Cola Wars (RC lost big time!). Sometimes the guy I voted for won, sometimes lost, and ya know something? In the end it all pretty much equalled out and the USA survived and prospered. Swing too much to the left or the right and the votes will not be there in the House or Senate to pass anything. Funny thing about the Supreme Court, too... those guys are appointed for life and can surprise the Presidents who appointed them. It has happened several times in the recent past.

Gee, you kind of fooled me though.... I thought this Wibble was about Linux vs. Microsoft.

Shadow Skill
5th November 2004, 05:14 AM
While all of this is true but they did not have the dimension of electronic voting. The pendullum has been all but removed at this point. Bush would have to screw something up for his backers (corporations) before anything will happen and we all know cheney runs him so I don't think that is likely. Now if people riot and I mean riot not protest [the media will simply ignore protests.] they maybe be able to make them change their tune. But I don't think it will happen, the media has succeded in telling people that an insurection of sorts only shows one to be uncivilized [I don't think the venezuelans were uncivilized to riot when they found out what Chavez had done to them..(it was either about oil or something about the currency I forget.) it made sure people paid some attention at least, I think Chavez decided to change his tune as well, again I forget exactly what happened.

radu5er
5th November 2004, 09:28 AM
Shadow:
If a party/candidate/president were to sanction such a thing, I think some Woodward or Bernstein types would find out and blow the whole thing wide open. There are too many cluey computer people out there to let such an intrusion go unreported.

Electronic voting? not a good idea using the "popular" operating system currently in the main, but if this sort of thing is to be, our favorite little penguin will likely be a part of it. Why? Because linux works and works well and there is no denying that fact. Too many smart folks, like you Shadow, to let anything else happen. Prople don't put up with stuff that is inferior forever and we just have to keep the faith and change will happen...maybe slowly but it will happen.

And by the way, ol'bob is right again, because they are appointed for life, Supreme court justices tend to operate at a different level than the run of the mill political apointee. Not entirely unbiased, but they do tend to move toward the "middle of the road" in their decisions.

Our system of government isn't perfect,but the checks and balances work fairly well. If you really don't think so, just go live in another country for a while and you may find that you miss the input a citizen like you has into the way you are governed.

Keep up the good fight Shadow.

Shadow Skill
5th November 2004, 11:19 AM
It wasn't unreported man go ahead and read the site I referenced earlier. However you will NOT hear this on CNN or Fox news, or MSNBC or NBC or CNBC which is owned by a weapons contractor we know as GE or General Electric [They don't publicize that aspect of thier bussines very much though.] Fox News and Fox [the channel of softcore porn for the masses on network TV mind you.] are owned by a staunch Conservative who has alot of money to gain from Bush ruling this country; you see GE isn't going to screw with the boat loads of money it is making in Iraq by really going after Bush and calling him on his lies in such a way that the rgular people will figure it out. CNN is owned by AOLTime Warner, which is also making money off of Bush's tax cuts. Our Media is all but entirely corporate in nature and the corporations will not screw Bush if Bush does not screw them.

This is one quote from a book written by one of the heads of blackboxvoting.org the book is available in pdf format on the website.


November, 2003: Officials from Boone County, Indiana, wanted
to know why their MicroVote machines counted 144,000 votes cast
when only 5,352 existed.

Dog-One
6th November 2004, 10:16 PM
A wise old man (actually just my Pa) put it this way, "It's all about making the world safe and profitable for business."

If you come across something in this world that isn't making the world safe and profitable for business, it will be or it will disappear.

Psquared
6th November 2004, 10:40 PM
Not my first election; been doing that since Kennedy/Nixon. Been in a fallout shelter, watched my draft status turn 1A, sweated out the Cuban Missle Crisis, 444 days in Iran, Mao trying to bury us & the Cola Wars (RC lost big time!). Sometimes the guy I voted for won, sometimes lost, and ya know something? In the end it all pretty much equalled out and the USA survived and prospered. Swing too much to the left or the right and the votes will not be there in the House or Senate to pass anything. Funny thing about the Supreme Court, too... those guys are appointed for life and can surprise the Presidents who appointed them. It has happened several times in the recent past.

Gee, you kind of fooled me though.... I thought this Wibble was about Linux vs. Microsoft.

Well said. I've seen a lot of this same stuff (not quite as old as Bob :D ) and somehow I think we would be pretty close to where we are right now no matter how those elections turned out.

Everything swings back and forth like a pendulum. Yes, Microsoft is dominant today, but if Linux is really that good - if the concept is sound - in 10 years Microsoft will be an electronic commerce company and everybody will be using FC 6.

Chas.H
6th November 2004, 11:03 PM
So I shouldn't be surprised at crap articles swearing that windows is more secure than Linux. [I can accept that this article said os X was better than the other two, but Linux behind windows in security...no way.]
Research can reach any conclusion the researcher wants it to. Many time it depends on who is paying for the research to be done. For example tobacco, if a large tobacco company wants to prove that smoking is good for your lungs and they spend enough money on the research, then a scientific study could come to that conclusion.

Don't get me started on the Bush Administration, I have to fly to Phoenix next week and I don't want to end up on the Cat Stevens list. :D

Shadow Skill
14th November 2004, 02:08 PM
You know I learned recently that the servers that did the "counting" ran either windows XP or windows 2000..........