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jon1012
21st September 2004, 01:40 AM
Hey, I wanted to show everybody what I have achieved tonight...
The images are large but it's worth the wait, I can promit you :)


Image1 (http://www.jondesign.net/linux/captures/Capture-bureau3d-2.png)
Image2 (http://www.jondesign.net/linux/captures/Capture-bureau3d2-2.png)


And remember, If there is any question, I'm here to help ;)
Enjoy the view my friends :p

Jonathan
--- Escuse my bad english, I'm french... lol

ps: For the tutorial go to page 3 ! ;)

imdeemvp
21st September 2004, 01:42 AM
i've seen this before....whats name of app you used?

ewdi
21st September 2004, 01:52 AM
i wanna know too :p is that a window manager?

bigred
21st September 2004, 02:03 AM
:eek:

Comment as-tu fais pour faire ca?

I wanna know what app you used, thats really cool...please give us instructions on how to recreate this screenshot.

bigred :)

un gars de Montreal, Quebec

sailor
21st September 2004, 02:06 AM
very cool...is it something like matisse?...or looking glass?...or something new?

imdeemvp
21st September 2004, 02:41 AM
some one actually posted that before and i just dont remember the name of the thread...but its here in the forum for sure......

jon1012
21st September 2004, 02:51 AM
Well, first, I've just took these screenshots, so I don't think it's a repost (and I've achieved this only tonight...) :) (or the time-machine have been invented ? lol)

So, I'm using Gnome, FVWM, Metisse, Xorg 6.8, and some home-made scripts as a glue for all this (and also an home-made port of the fvwm qnx theme on metisse) :)
If you want I can also make a little tutorial, but it's not for beginners I'm afraid... (But maybe I'll have the courage to make a nice lttle installer :p)

Jonathan
-- Excuse my bad english, I'm french...

ewdi
21st September 2004, 03:02 AM
yes please :p post it :)

jcstille
21st September 2004, 03:13 AM
Let us know man

bob
21st September 2004, 03:15 AM
Jon, as long as you have us all intrigued, can you give us some idea of your system specs and whether a poor ol' Athalon XP1600 and a gig of ram might be able to handle it? IF SO, please quit your day job and work on that installer, mon ami!

imdeemvp
21st September 2004, 03:15 AM
i believe is this here: http://www.pcquest.com/content/linux/2004/104063006.asp

and here: http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php

jon1012
21st September 2004, 01:02 PM
I have to go to a driving lesson for now, but when I'll be back I'll start writing a tutorial ;)

olivierv
21st September 2004, 01:56 PM
More importantly, nice icons! Gant icons are so cool...

Oh yeah, nice desktop too ;)

Olivier

jcstille
21st September 2004, 03:28 PM
We are all looking forward to the tutorial.

Finalzone
21st September 2004, 06:13 PM
Ne vous inquietez pas, jon1012. Il y des francophones qui peuvent vous comprendre.

I am curious to see what method you used for simulate a 3D desktop. 3ddesks keep crashing when I tried to start it.

Finalzone
21st September 2004, 06:22 PM
Guys, there is a difference with jon1012 and 3ddesktop. jon1012's version is closer to Project Looking Glass than 3Ddesktops. Here is the comparison:

- jom1012's 3D desktop (http://www.jondesign.net/linux/captures/Capture-bureau3d2-2.png)
- Project Looking Glass (http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/projectlookingglass/ss10.jpg)
- 3D desktop (http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/images/car1.jpg)

Psquared
21st September 2004, 07:50 PM
This is absolutely too cool. MS$ is still working on this for the next version of Windoz. It will be 2006 before it comes out.

Linux should have this long before.

I'll be looking for the tutorial and installer. You da man - mon ami!!

jon1012
21st September 2004, 08:10 PM
Yup, in fact I'm not using 3d desk :)
I'm using this wonderful project named metisse along with a lot of home-made scripts and gnome (and an home-made port of the fvwm qnx theme) :)
I'm writing the tutorial, but I have some problems of permissions on system files...
As soon as I manage to get rid of these issues, I submit the tutorial :)

imdeemvp
21st September 2004, 09:39 PM
that's nice jon1012 and lets know for sure :D

jzke
22nd September 2004, 01:08 AM
WOW! :eek: :eek: that's soo cool... An installer would be the coolest thing since... sliced bread! :p :cool:

imdeemvp
22nd September 2004, 01:51 AM
jzke, i agree. :D

JavaLover
22nd September 2004, 02:58 AM
A installer script would be awesome, but Im curious as to how it was done.
Jon what are your pc specs?

jon1012
22nd September 2004, 03:17 AM
Oh my pc specs ?
Pentium 4 2.4Ghz (533Mhz bus speed)
512m of RAM PC-2700
Geforce 4 Ti 4200
Linux 2.6.5 under fedora core 2 with xorg 6.8 compiled from devel srpms for i686

For your information, my screenshots were taken with maximum antialiasing and anisotropic filtering available from the nvidia drivers and it's not slow at all :)
So, with a computer lesser powerfull it should be more than ok without the anitaliasing and/or the anisotropic filtering (or with these put at a low level ;))

ongardie
22nd September 2004, 03:50 AM
I am attempting to run metisse as a replacement for kwin while keeping all other parts of kde intact, much like what I believe you are doing with gnome. So far, I have changed my startkde script (well in reality I copied it - see faqs at fvwm.org) to use 'metisse-start-fvwm' as the window manager. Now I am certainly not using kwin anymore but I'm in a strange environment. My title bars for my windows have no buttons and are gray. I'm not sure if metisse is even running because right-clicking on the title bars does nothing. Did you encounter this in your experiences? Btw I'm on gentoo so this forum isn't exactly the most appropriate place for me but the thread certainly is.

ongardie
22nd September 2004, 04:01 AM
Come to think of it metisse must not be running because when I drag my windows around I get a grid instead of transparency. One other note is that iconification does occur when I click on entries in the taskbar on kicker. I'm going to see if I can find anything interesting in the logs.

jon1012
22nd September 2004, 04:02 AM
wow wow wow...
You are going too fast :)
First, try to remember how metisse work...
So, as a starting point launch metisse *NOT* from X (I want to say, not from a fully working kde session), if you are able to do this, then go next step :) (how to do this will be described in my tutorial...)
Next step, edit the ~/.fvwm-metisse/* scripts as you want... but remeber to add an entry in your program menu to call a script you have to make wich will launch wathever you want in you graphic environment beside kwin !
restart metisse, launch your script by your menu and you should be ok :)

If you don't succeed, wait for my tutorial, I won't be long to finish to write it :p And I'm sure it will be portable to kde ;)

ongardie
22nd September 2004, 04:10 AM
Thanks for the quick reply.
I have successfully ran metisse *NOT* from X before, I am still using the 'startx' command now. I'm not sure what you mean by:

Next step, edit the ~/.fvwm-metisse/* scripts as you want... but remeber to add an entry in your program menu to call a script you have to make wich will launch wathever you want in you graphic environment beside kwin !
Could you expand/rephrase it?

ongardie
22nd September 2004, 04:14 AM
Flipping back to ctrl+alt+f1, I see the following errors:
[FVWM][main] <<ERROR>> cannot read startup config file...

[FVWM] WARN: No RECORD X extension

jon1012
22nd September 2004, 04:29 AM
You start metisse as-is... but remember ! you have to first start a Xwnc -ac -geometry 1024x768 :1 & (if you are in 1024x768...) before any wm ! and then launch the fvwm-metisse etc... start script in this virtual X !

ongardie
22nd September 2004, 04:31 AM
Wow sorry I'm greatly distracted...my friend found where my history teacher gets questions for her quizzes from which is quite beneficial I must say. I started Xwnc before using startx but I didn't do the -ac part, would that matter?

jon1012
22nd September 2004, 04:40 AM
lol :)
So, you have to edit your .xinitrc to add the Xwnc in it :) (before everything else), because Xwnc launches itself on top of an X display...
The -ac permits the connection to everybody (good for testing... you can add auth rules later), because before that nobody can connect to the server typically...
Also... you shpuld do a sudo before each command (and put your user as a sudoers for all without password...(to be simple also...)), as I said before there is permissions issues...
Oh also, remember, in your menu entry, put "sudo -u user command" where you replace user by your normal (non-s.u.) user and the command by the location of your script :)

ongardie
22nd September 2004, 05:29 AM
Xwnc has to be started on top of an already running X server? i've always started it before X hehe.



Oh also, remember, in your menu entry, put "sudo -u user command" where you replace user by your normal (non-s.u.) user and the command by the location of your script.
I still don't understand what you mean by this, starting with 'menu entry'. In any case though, it's getting late and I still have work to do for school so I'm not going to be able to play with this anymore until 20:30 GMT tomorrow. At that point I will keep trying and maybe you'll have completed your tutorial or at least a beta version?

Thanks for your help and good night,
-ongardie

PS: watching the tattoo-mirror scene of Momento with metisse is so cool cause you can just flip it around according to which tattoo you want to read :P

JavaLover
22nd September 2004, 06:34 AM
thanks for doing this Jon.
BTW French chicks pwn!! :)

Shadow Skill
22nd September 2004, 09:19 AM
Can this sort of thing be done with Fluxbox? I hope so because it would probably look so sweet! Poor M$ so far behind already, they want people to wait till what is for all intents and purposes 2007 for this; and we all know that it will be a real resource hogging #######! Then of course the poor consumer who gets longhorn when it comes out (let's be fair and say they were upgrading from 2k.) will have his system almost invariably explode when they try to tack on the Winfs system to their already existing ntfs setup and try to categorize everything (just imagine the category for OSS..it will probably go in the "prohibited" category.) I for one will wait till the version of longhorn that integrates Winfs into the system right out of the box is released....Why do french chicks own? [Shadow Skill is curious...]

imdeemvp
22nd September 2004, 09:22 AM
shadow skill that good be cool.....dont you think?

off topic i downloade xfce4 and its pretty cool too.

Shadow Skill
22nd September 2004, 09:49 AM
I have xfce installed as well but I love Flux's transparency and themes....I just wish I could get the icons to work in the event I ever actually wanted to use them...maybe the next release will have icon setting native.

imdeemvp
22nd September 2004, 10:22 AM
the thing about fluxbox is too hardcore for me and i dont have much time to mess with it....with xfce it wasnt too hard :D

Shadow Skill
22nd September 2004, 10:52 AM
Well that's because Fbdesk doesn't work [for me anyway.] I will have to go and find something else that might work with flux. I really only might need an icon for totem and xmms...What I need at the moment is a dockaap to display the date and time...its alittle too difficult for me to read. Xfce is very nice but that middle bar the way its setup is just dumb, its too big and makes for wierd window maximization (The default setting for Flux is about the same only its alot smaller, when you turn on antialiasing.) I probably will use Xfce more on my laptop since gnome is kind of slow to start. Besides the way the mouse is set up its just not a good idea to use a WM like Flux or E for that matter. If you think Flux is bad try E its just plain wierd...

jon1012
22nd September 2004, 08:06 PM
So....
I've done some testing... And I've found that it work perfectly well also with kde...
With xfce I have some problems: the task bar in the top of the screen don't show, but the rest works well :)
I've found all my answers... So I am finishing the turorial... Almost done ! ;)

JavaLover
22nd September 2004, 08:53 PM
So....
I've done some testing... And I've found that it work perfectly well also with kde...
With xfce I have some problems: the task bar in the top of the screen don't show, but the rest works well :)
I've found all my answers... So I am finishing the turorial... Almost done ! ;)

Sweet!!!!!

ongardie
22nd September 2004, 09:33 PM
Excellent, I seriously can't wait until I see this tutorial :P
Mmmm...what to do what to do what to do

JavaLover
22nd September 2004, 09:53 PM
Excellent, I seriously can't wait until I see this tutorial :P
Mmmm...what to do what to do what to do

Im playing Star Wars Battlefront while i wait :-D fun a$$ game

jon1012
22nd September 2004, 11:34 PM
one or two things left and I publish it :)
(in fact, I have to package the files and upload them to my server ;))

JavaLover
23rd September 2004, 12:13 AM
Are you packaging the required files? Just curious, be easier for you to just give a url. And easier on your server :)

jon1012
23rd September 2004, 12:22 AM
Here is my tutorial to use a 3d desktop ! (be indulgent, it's my first :))


So, first you have to make sure that your display have 3d acceleration... and that it is in 24 bit colors... (works better :))

Then, you have to make your user a sudoer wihout password for all the files (the easiest way to do :p) :
Assuming your username is "jon" here is the line to add to the /etc/sudoers file :

jon ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL

Next, download the nucleo stuff at this url: http://insitu.lri.fr/~chapuis/software/metisse/nucleo-0.1-20040721.tar.bz2
then open a console in the folder you downloaded it and type :

tar jxvf nucleo-0.1-20040721.tar.bz2
cd nucleo-0.1
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
sudo make install

Then, download the Metisse stuff from http://insitu.lri.fr/~chapuis/software/metisse/metisse-0.3.3.tar.bz2
Then open a console in the folder you downloaded it and type :

tar jxvf metisse-0.3.3.tar.bz2
cd metisse-0.3.3
./configure --prefix=/usr #(and if you want --enable-glx-x86)
make
sudo make install

Now, the special step ;)
Open a terminal in your home folder and type :

mkdir .fvwm-metisse
cd .fvwm-metisse
wget http://www.jondesign.net/linux/systemes/bureau3d-en.tar.gz
tar zxvf bureau3d-en.tar.gz
sed -e 's/jon/user/g' appli_temp > applications #(replace user with your normal username (non-root))

Hey we're almost done ;)

Put this text into you ~/.Xclients an ~/.Xclients-default files :


#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession 3d

(don't forget to make these files executables)


Put this text in the file /usr/bin/3d-session (replacing 1280x1024 by your screen size):


#!/bin/sh
export __GL_FSAA_MODE=6 # Put this only if you want antialiasing and if you have an NVIDIA card
export __GL_DEFAULT_LOG_ANISO=3 # Put this only if you want anisotropic stuff and if you have an NVIDIA card
Xwnc -ac -geometry 1280x1024 :1 &
sudo metisse-start-fvwm -- -np

now do:
chmod +x /usr/bin/3d-session to make it an executable


Open the file /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession, and just after this passage :


gnome)
exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT gnome-session"
;;

Add:


3d)
exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT 3d-session"
;;


Now... time for reality :p

Log Off...

Log in back using gdm...

Left-click on the screen...
Choose Ametista Config => Window Themes > Qnx...

Left-Click on the screen again...
Choose Programs => Entire Gnome Session...


And hopefully... Voilą ! ;)


Oh, also... Don't redistribute it without my permission... (I am very happy to help, but just ask me before :p)...

I am working on an installer now... console-based at first, and then graphic (using C/Gtk) :)

ewdi
23rd September 2004, 12:41 AM
i got couple hours of free time, let me try now :p

jon1012
23rd September 2004, 12:52 AM
Oh, I will also post the url of another packs of setting to wgett-ize ;) for kde, xfce, and also one for slower computers :) But this will be for tomorrow, because I'm not ready for this tonight :p

imdeemvp
23rd September 2004, 01:51 AM
sweet very sweet......:D its time to play and if i screw it up it will be time to reinstall :D

ongardie
23rd September 2004, 02:09 AM
So far it's been really smooth for me, I didn't actually reinstall metisse from source since I've taken care of that in the past but I did everything following that. Now I'm here:



Open the file /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession, and just after this passage :


gnome)
exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT gnome-session"
;;

Add:


3d)
exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT 3d-session"
;;



and I don't know what to do. If this applies to kdm users, where exactly do I add this (I have no gnome entry as I don't have gnome). If this only applies to gdm, how can I use a similar technique for kdm? Also did you modify the startkde script at all?

Thanks for your time and great tutorial.

jon1012
23rd September 2004, 02:14 AM
So far it's been really smooth for me, I didn't actually reinstall metisse from source since I've taken care of that in the past but I did everything following that. Now I'm here:



and I don't know what to do. If this applies to kdm users, where exactly do I add this (I have no gnome entry as I don't have gnome). If this only applies to gdm, how can I use a similar technique for kdm? Also did you modify the startkde script at all?


Well... I didn't make it for kdm... but for gdm... I don't thnik it should be hard to change... however, this file I tell you to change is for all the dm so do this part :) just don't do the part of the .Xclients and modify the kdm setup files to add a scripts who launch /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession 3d :) (I don't really know kdm so I can't help you :-/) Also If you want to launch kde instead of gnome, modify the applications file in the .fvwm-metisse folder, to change the line wich refer to gnome and replace gnome-session with startkde ;) (and you would also want to change the menu entry label I think :p)

ongardie
23rd September 2004, 02:15 AM
Oh nevermind, for me the file to edit is /etc/X11/Sessions/Xsession. I'm thinking that's a gentoo thing.

EDIT: Since I'm using kdm, i have to edit $KDEDIR/share/config/kdm/Xsession instead though. More kde/kdm info/success story as I get it.

ongardie
23rd September 2004, 04:42 AM
Ok I'm really close, I just need the name of the window manager (the way ksmserver accepts it) for inside startkde. Right now kwin is sort of drawing on top of and replacing metisse.

Finalzone
23rd September 2004, 06:38 AM
Addendum to :


tar jxvf nucleo-0.1-20040721.tar.bz2
cd nucleo-0.1
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
sudo make install


For people who want to install rpm version, look at rpm folder to find nucleo-0.1.spec. Here is the code to build the rpm. I assume you are on rpm folder inside nucleo-0.1 and you are root.


cp nucleo-0.1.tar.gz /tmp/
cd nucleo-0.1/rpm
rpmbuild -ba nucleo-0.1.spec

The rpm version will be built. I noticed the error on .spec file that wrote the source in gz instead of bz2. Simply edit it to avoid compiling error. To get the new built rpm file,



cd /usr/src/redhat/i386

The same method also work for metisse. However, I got an error like this


Checking for unpackaged file(s): /usr/lib/rpm/check-files /var/tmp/metisse-0.3.3-root
error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
/var/tmp/metisse-0.3.3-root/usr/share/man/man1/FvwmGtk.1


RPM build errors:
Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
/var/tmp/metisse-0.3.3-root/usr/share/man/man1/FvwmGtk.1


Possibly there is a code mistake inside Makefile.

Thetargos
23rd September 2004, 09:43 AM
Hey Jon, have you considered using the Loki installer for your GTK installer? (pretty much everything is already done, you should only be tweaking it).

jon1012
23rd September 2004, 01:47 PM
Ok I'm really close, I just need the name of the window manager (the way ksmserver accepts it) for inside startkde. Right now kwin is sort of drawing on top of and replacing metisse.
Wow... Don't do this in this way it won't work (I think...) :)
Edit the menus (applications file) to add an entry who launch sudo -u user startkde normally it works :) because kwin doesn't replace the actual wm if you don't add --replace :)
I've tried to do the thing the way I tell you and it works really well :) (I can even send screenshots of the kde 3d desktop ;))



Hey Jon, have you considered using the Loki installer for your GTK installer? (pretty much everything is already done, you should only be tweaking it).
Yup I've considered this :) but I think that there is another project (I don't remember exactly the name) which is probably better to do this :)... Also If I make an instaler I will find a way to get rid of sudo by using something like gksu... (or by finding the exact permissions issues and changing the permissions of these files or by putting suid on the executables...)

jon1012
23rd September 2004, 01:57 PM
Oh ! another important thing :p
Please post screenshots of what you've done with my tutorial, and also tell me if it works well pleasseeee :) (If you're able to take screenshots.. If not I will maybe post another tutorial to take screenshots lool)

Thetargos
23rd September 2004, 05:44 PM
Jon, I've been unsuccessful to use matisse and the overall 3D desktop (I have an ATi card that conflicts), I posted your screenshots over Rage3D to demonstrate how this looks, here's the link to the Rage3D post (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1333198301&postcount=27)

Thanks for your tut!!

Finalzone
23rd September 2004, 09:58 PM
I succesfully install metisse. However, I noticed slowdown due to setting of antialiasing and anisotropic. It worked fine after the right setting and everything is smooth. For the exploration, it takes some steps to get used to.

Hopefully Metisse will be integrated in Gnome/KDE or any Desktop as it is very promising.

ongardie
24th September 2004, 12:19 AM
Well I got metisse-kde working but I'm looking for a cooler theme. Where did you get the qnx theme jon?

RedFedora
24th September 2004, 01:55 AM
I love the little Poubelle. It's been a long time since I last saw a French desktop.

jon1012
24th September 2004, 06:35 PM
Hi,
Glad to see that my post is so interesting for you all :)

For the post on rage3d, I think that all 3d cards are compatible with my tutorial, so please contact me by pm to give my you msn messenger address or anything you want, so I can help you to achieve this (I've succesfully made it work on severall totally different computers) :)

For the QNX them, it's from the fvwm-theme package, but I've modified it a lot to make it compatible with metisse... :)

For the poubelle... it's a slang word to say "corbeille" wich is the default on the gnome desktop ;) (I've modified it because poubelle is better :p)

Have a nice day my friends :)


Jonathan

ps: If you want some help with my tutorial, just contact me with msn messenger, my msn messenger address is webmaster (at) lesmondes.com and my email address (if you want to contact me by email) is jondesign (at) jondesign.net

Finalzone
24th September 2004, 07:35 PM
- On login, user should choose to enable 3d-session. In my case, when I log in a default session, Metisse will automatically start.
- A GUI that allows to set Metisse (currenlt doing afair)
- Hopefully in a future, users should use their desktop window frames other than Metisse's

olivierv
24th September 2004, 09:13 PM
I tried it on one of my laptops and it works great. Thanks for taking the time to write up the tutorial and sharing it with everyone.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to show off now :) I'll be sure to credit Jonathan though.

Thanks again.

jon1012
24th September 2004, 10:04 PM
- On login, user should choose to enable 3d-session. In my case, when I log in a default session, Metisse will automatically start.
- A GUI that allows to set Metisse (currenlt doing afair)
- Hopefully in a future, users should use their desktop window frames other than Metisse's
Yup, I've thinked about all this, but I didn't have the time to do this, but now that I'm writing an installer, I'm preparing all this :p... Also, for the use of window frames of another wm, I'm afrais it'll be hard unless I pick the 3d code of fvwmi to put into metacity or another one... But I don't want to take another's source code... unless they allow me :)



I tried it on one of my laptops and it works great. Thanks for taking the time to write up the tutorial and sharing it with everyone.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to show off now :) I'll be sure to credit Jonathan though.

Thanks again.
Hey, nice to see it work for you :)
Just, if you show it on a site, tell me :)
And also, I'm gonna make a site about this.. So, keep in contact, and maybe put a link to the site with the tutorial :) (I will put the installer and other stuff on it :))

Have a nice day my friends ;)
-- As always, contact me on msn messenger at webmaster(at)lesmondes.com if you have any question :)

Psquared
25th September 2004, 12:10 AM
When you get through with the installer will you post a link to it on here?

BTW, this is a great thing. You should get paid for this. :)

jon1012
25th September 2004, 01:02 AM
When you get through with the installer will you post a link to it on here?

Of course ! :)


BTW, this is a great thing. You should get paid for this. :)
Thank you for your support :) I don't want to get paid for this... It's somewhat my contribution to the community... ;)
My best reward is to help at least someone... I think this is the great thing with opensource software :)

jzke
27th September 2004, 06:04 AM
well, I've been away from this topic for a while, but something has drawn me back to it. It's so exciting, although I am waiting for the installer because I am rather new to compiling source code and the rest of it. Keep up the good work Jon, it's amazing what you have managed to do :D;)

olivierv
27th September 2004, 07:15 PM
OK- I give up:

How did you get screenshots? I tried KSnapshot and the GIMPs screen capture feature and both gave me a nice, black image. I'm assuming that because of the way the desktop is rendered with nucleo and metisse, both the programs are not looking at the right display layer.

Also, has anyone tried this with dual monitors? I have an ATI card and the drivers provided by ATI do not work with a dual head / xinerama enabled X server.

Thanks for any/all help!

jon1012
28th September 2004, 09:58 PM
Keep up the good work Jon, it's amazing what you have managed to do :D;)
Thank you :)


OK- I give up:

How did you get screenshots? I tried KSnapshot and the GIMPs screen capture feature and both gave me a nice, black image. I'm assuming that because of the way the desktop is rendered with nucleo and metisse, both the programs are not looking at the right display layer.

Also, has anyone tried this with dual monitors? I have an ATI card and the drivers provided by ATI do not work with a dual head / xinerama enabled X server.

Thanks for any/all help!
Lol, for these two questions there is one answer :p I use xinerama on my computer... (with dualview from nvidia) But, metisse only handle one screen (because I have two screen of different sizes, and xwnc does not take care of xinerama...)... So I use the second screen to launch a screenshot software wich capture the first screen while not beeing into metisse... ;)
However, for the xinerama stuff, I'm working on a solution using two Xwnc and two metisse runing at the same time... but it's not that simple because I have to write a C program to place correctly the windows without launching a windows manager :)

Jonathan

olivierv
29th September 2004, 11:19 AM
Curse you and your Linux drivers, ATI! I suppose I should be grateful that I can even get 3D acceleration on my laptop in the first place though.

Anyway, thanks for the answer, it saved me a lot screen-snapshot program hunting and installing. I do have another laptop with a GeForce Quadro, I'll try to take screenshots on that one.

Psquared
4th October 2004, 11:04 PM
Jonathan - how is that installer coming?? :D :D

(I'm itching to try this 3D stuff - I tried 3ddesk and it doesn't do much for me except wet my appetite for the REAL thing.)

tchung
5th October 2004, 07:51 AM
Hello,

I'm working on article on "metisse" and I've aready built binary RPM packages for FC2.

http://fedoranews.org/tchung/metisse/

I woud appreciated if you can give me any feedback.

Thomas

superbnerd
5th October 2004, 08:06 AM
Could you build a repo for all your contribution, or put them in one of the current repo alliances if you haven't all ready.

Thanks

imdeemvp
5th October 2004, 08:20 AM
Hello,

I'm working on article on "metisse" and I've aready built binary RPM packages for FC2.

http://fedoranews.org/tchung/metisse/

I woud appreciated if you can give me any feedback.

Thomas
i forgot the path of file to edit so i can add this to it:

#!/bin/sh
Xwnc -ac -geometry 1024x768 :1 &
metisse-start-fvwm

can you tell me how?

tchung
5th October 2004, 08:52 AM
i forgot the path of file to edit so i can add this to it:

#!/bin/sh
Xwnc -ac -geometry 1024x768 :1 &
metisse-start-fvwm

can you tell me how?

"3d-session" is a wrapper for metisse and it should be dropped into one of your execuable path such as /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin

make sure to set it 755.

Thomas

imdeemvp
5th October 2004, 09:00 AM
i was able to run them from terminal....

Psquared
5th October 2004, 04:20 PM
Could you build a repo for all your contribution, or put them in one of the current repo alliances if you haven't all ready.

Thanks

That would be great.

I have a bigger question though. How is this different from 3ddesk that is already available? I have installed that and run it, but its just eye-candy. There is nothing useful.

What Jonathan is doing seems to be different.

tchung
5th October 2004, 05:24 PM
They are two different projects.

1) http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/
3d Destkop is an OpenGL program for switching virtual desktops in a
seamless 3-dimensional manner. The current desktop is mapped into a 3D
space where you may choose other screens. When activated the current
desktop appears to zoom out into the 3D view. Several different
visualization modes are available.

2) http://insitu.lri.fr/~chapuis/metisse/
Metisse is an experimental X desktop with some OpenGL capacity. It
consists of a virtual X server called Xwnc, a special version of FVWM,
and a FVWM module FvwmAmetista. Xwnc is a mix of Xvnc and XDarwin. It
draws nothing on your screen; everything is drawn into
pixmaps. Similarly to Xvnc, but with a different protocol, Xwnc can
send these pixmaps (and other information) to a "viewer". FvwmAmetista
is such a viewer; it uses OpenGL for rendering the X desktop into a
window of a "regular" 3D accelerated X server.


Thomas

jon1012
5th October 2004, 05:28 PM
Lol tchung you are stealing me the "vedette" looool :p
And for the installer one or two stuff left to fix and it'll be finished :)

Finalzone
5th October 2004, 06:58 PM
Thomas Chung,

Thank you for building a rpm version of Metisse. That will ease the job for users who prefer to install with rpm method. I wonder how did you solve the rpmbuild metisse issue (see the error on page 3).

jon1012,
you can say: "you are stealing me the fame."

Who ever thought that a small Fedora Community provide their own version of 3D desktop way ahead the corporation? I think that will be a great example of the open source software even the creator will be proud. Hopefully they will paid a visit to this forum.

Finalzone
5th October 2004, 07:06 PM
Adminstrators,

Is it possible to stick this topic at the top page? Since a lot users often read that, they won't have to do research to find it? Thank you.

tchung
5th October 2004, 07:16 PM
I wonder how did you solve the rpmbuild metisse issue (see the error on page 3).


Here is my %build and %install section:

%build
./configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man
%{__make}

%install
%{__make} DESTDIR=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT prefix=/usr install
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/var/tmp

Notice I just removed unnecessary "$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/var/tmp"

Thomas

jon1012
5th October 2004, 09:07 PM
Yep I really think that it would be a great idea to stick this topic :)

Please, don't forget to specify "-- -np" after fvwm-start-metisse... It really increases the speed... I say this because the version of my 3d-session script modified by tchung does not contain it...

Oh, and of course, I'm really happy to help people out there :) If you want any help with this tutorial, 3d desktop or anything, I would be happy to help you if you contact me by email at jondesign @ jondesign . net or by msn messenger (I prefer amsn :p) at webmaster @ lesmondes . com :)

Have a nice day if you are in America, or good night if you are, like me, in Europe :)
-- Jonathan

ps: I will publish the url of my website with an updated version of the tutorial and an installer as soon as I finish it (I will of course also publish everything here at the same time !)

Psquared
6th October 2004, 09:21 PM
Jonathan, what is the difference between your project and this one??

http://www.pcquest.com/content/linux/2004/104080302.asp

jon1012
6th October 2004, 10:19 PM
Hey, metisse is not my project ;) (or in other word, thecore technology is not developped by me :)). However the tutorial, tuned files and integration scripts are. And if you refer to metisse, there is no difference in the technology, because the link you put is an article about metisse, and the turorial I've made is based on metisse :)

What I've done is a simplification of this project who work the way fvwm does, which is not really what desktop users expects... So, I've integrated metisse into gnome, and modified the configuration files, the scripts, etc... And I've written a tutorial which make you download and installe metisse and nucleo, and then make you download, install and use the files I've prepared for you :)


Jonathan, what is the difference between your project and this one??

http://www.pcquest.com/content/linux/2004/104080302.asp

imdeemvp
6th October 2004, 10:36 PM
the first thread about metisse was originated back in july: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18645

jon1012
6th October 2004, 10:39 PM
Yup (or something like "I agree" in normal english :p) :)

the first thread about metisse was originated back in july: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18645

tchung
7th October 2004, 11:35 PM
Hello,

I just finished writing the article: HOWTO: Building Metisse RPM package for Fedora Core

http://fedoranews.org/tchung/metisse/

Enjoy! :)

Thomas

Psquared
18th October 2004, 10:29 PM
I keep checking here for updated messages, but nothing in a week.

I sure would like to play around with that installer. :D

Psquared
5th November 2004, 03:33 AM
I seem to be the only posting on this thread.

I installed Metisse 3d and its pretty cool. What I want to know is there anyway I can get my apps like Open Office and Evolution Email to work in it? All I see is Mozilla, XMMS and one or two other apps.

b!n42y
6th November 2004, 04:26 PM
i read u can try executing them from terminal

Psquared
6th November 2004, 10:52 PM
i read u can try executing them from terminal

Well, I think I goofed up my install of Metisse anyway. I tried Thomas Chung's way and then after installing nucleo and metisse I tried to write in Jon's scripts. So far it isn't working and Gnome is a little goofed up.

b!n42y
7th November 2004, 05:12 AM
yeah that will happen - i had the same problem when i was getting 3d acceleration to work, i used old patches on new kernels etc........try to uninstall back track if u can
btw have u got hardware acceleration working u need that to be able to run this stuff ?

Psquared
7th November 2004, 03:37 PM
yeah that will happen - i had the same problem when i was getting 3d acceleration to work, i used old patches on new kernels etc........try to uninstall back track if u can
btw have u got hardware acceleration working u need that to be able to run this stuff ?

Yep, thats exactly what I did. I backtracked and removed everything and then started fresh following Jon's tutorial to the letter. I had to download some GCC and C++ stuff, but I got through and everything compiled.

Where I'm having a problem is the special scripts. I followed Jon's instructions, but when I login Gnome and left click on the desktop nothing happens. I can't figure out how to start this thing.

Yes, I have nVidia drivers installed and GLX is loading fine.

b!n42y
8th November 2004, 02:53 AM
um i havent actually tried this but when i get some time ill try it 2day and let u know how it worked out, it appears as if u have missed a step though (although i could be wrong).

Psquared
8th November 2004, 01:50 PM
um i havent actually tried this but when i get some time ill try it 2day and let u know how it worked out, it appears as if u have missed a step though (although i could be wrong).

Thanks. Yes, I am pretty sure I did miss a step. I've backtracked several times but I can't figure out where I went wrong. My guess is that my Xsessions files are not correct. If you get it working you might post the contents of yours so I can compare.

b!n42y
9th November 2004, 11:16 AM
Thanks. Yes, I am pretty sure I did miss a step. I've backtracked several times but I can't figure out where I went wrong. My guess is that my Xsessions files are not correct. If you get it working you might post the contents of yours so I can compare.

well i just installed FC3 so my priority is setting this up atm but as soon as i come up with something ill be sure to post my results.

OK ive had some time to go thru this tutorial here are some things i had probs with ;
compilations seemed ok
Put this text into you ~/.Xclients an ~/.Xclients-default files :
Code:

#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession 3d

im not sure whether to put this b4 or after the if else statements

by exec u mean chmod +x the files correct ?

next there was no file of /usr/bin/3d-session

i created 1 and applied chmod +x but im not sure if this file is even used if it wasnt there in the first placce

also the gnome)
exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT gnome-session"
;;
part of file /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession

$SSHAGENT is actually gnome)
exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH gnome-session"
;;

and needless to say left click on gnome desktop was answered with stone cold silence,

over and out, this is beyond my ability so i will leave this till i get help :)

Psquared
9th November 2004, 02:14 PM
well i just installed FC3 so my priority is setting this up atm but as soon as i come up with something ill be sure to post my results.

OK ive had some time to go thru this tutorial here are some things i had probs with ;
compilations seemed ok
Put this text into you ~/.Xclients an ~/.Xclients-default files :
Code:

#!/bin/sh
exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession 3d

im not sure whether to put this b4 or after the if else statements

by exec u mean chmod +x the files correct ?

next there was no file of /usr/bin/3d-session

i created 1 and applied chmod +x but im not sure if this file is even used if it wasnt there in the first placce

also the gnome)
exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT gnome-session"
;;
part of file /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession

$SSHAGENT is actually gnome)
exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH gnome-session"
;;

and needless to say left click on gnome desktop was answered with stone cold silence,

over and out, this is beyond my ability so i will leave this till i get help :)

We are having the identical problems. I did all the things you did and got the same result. Zero!!

I've emailed Jon, but I have not heard from him. I am hoping someone who had success with this might jump in and explain.

If you get it worked out please let me know and I will do the same.

b!n42y
9th November 2004, 02:23 PM
np ..... im sure sum1 will jump in and rescue our butts, i am inexperienced so ill divert my time to learn something a little less complicated, but if i do see or hear sumthing ill let u know.

jon1012
7th December 2004, 10:14 PM
Hi, excuse me for my silence, I've been really busy for some weeks :(
I'll try to reproduce what you've done to help you :)


Oh, also, to speak to me even when I don't have time to answer mail or anything, contact me by msn messenger (with amsn ou gaim or what you want :p) at webmaster -at- lesmondes.com

Thank you,
And excuse me...

Jon

Psquared
12th December 2004, 02:32 AM
Hi, excuse me for my silence, I've been really busy for some weeks :(
I'll try to reproduce what you've done to help you :)


Oh, also, to speak to me even when I don't have time to answer mail or anything, contact me by msn messenger (with amsn ou gaim or what you want :p) at webmaster -at- lesmondes.com

Thank you,
And excuse me...

Jon

Ca va!!

I've been having so much trouble with the nVidia drivers on my FC2 with the 2.6.9 kernel that I've kinda given up on Linux for the time being. I still have the 2.6.8 kernel installed so if you get a chance to work on this and post some help that would be great. Hopefully sometime soon the nVidia drivers will be working and I can use the newer kernel.

Merci!!

yanik
13th December 2004, 03:53 PM
OMFG!!! I just found that thread, I'll try it for sure :)

yanik
14th December 2004, 02:34 PM
wow, this thing actually works quite well. A little hard on the system tho, but after setting more conservative values to FFSA and the other stuff I get some good performance. It is very pretty. I couldn't take a screenshot tho, it took only the background and some black area. I played with it an hour and the usefullness of this thing is still nowhere to be found. Must be because I'm too used to 2d interface, it not really easy to work effectivly with it, placing windows is not as simple as it might look. Anyway, thank you very much, I had a great time and it gave me a chance to show off something cool on linux to my roomate :)

Mad Cow
16th December 2004, 10:14 PM
I'd trry this all out, but ATI hasn't released 3d drivers for the Radeon 9800 pro on FC3 yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'd be very happy if I was.

Darkmage
21st December 2004, 10:09 PM
Thanks so much for the howto, works like a charm after some twicking. Metisse is now my default manager. Too bad it won't show up on a screenshot and right now, it is the fastest window manager I have used.

Here is a bump to the top :D since it has not been stickyed

booger
22nd December 2004, 07:41 PM
I've got things working. When I login I get the FVWM and the Jon Design wallpaper. The problem I have is that when I try to

Left-click on the screen...
Choose Ametista Config => Window Themes > Qnx...

Left-Click on the screen again...
Choose Programs => Entire Gnome Session...

Nothing happens. But if I launch the terminal or any other app, it works like a charm. I just want to use Gnome and not FVWM. I'm assuming that choosing 'Entire Gnome Session' allows this.

I have had FVWM lock down completely. Not sure if it's becuase I'm using a Radeon card or not.

booger

piedamaro
22nd December 2004, 08:14 PM
I was trying to reinstall looking-glass just for fun, but I'll try this instead, it seems more useful :)

booger
27th December 2004, 05:26 PM
I hate to bump this but any ideas as to why I can't get my gnome desktop to appear?

See my message above.

booger

jon1012
31st December 2004, 01:56 PM
I hate to bump this but any ideas as to why I can't get my gnome desktop to appear?

See my message above.

booger
Mmh... maybe your gnome session script can't work with another wm than metacity. A workaround is to launch gnome-panel, gnome-preferences-daemon, etc... separately. You can edit the configuration scripts to modify the entire gnome session shortcut when you've found the correct combination for your system :)

(Excuse me for the elay in answering, I just received your messages :()

Have a nice day, nice hollydays, and also happy new year ! ;)

Cordially,
Jonathan Schemoul

ThaRealest
13th January 2005, 11:24 PM
when i try to make metisse the following is the final few lines output, how can i fix this?

AScreen.cxx:43: error: 'class nucleo::glWindow' has no member named 'fullScreenMode'
AScreen.cxx: In member function `void AScreen::showCursor()':
AScreen.cxx:61: error: 'class nucleo::glWindow' has no member named 'showCursor'make[3]: *** [AScreen.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/tom/metisse-0.3.3/FvwmAmetista/main'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/tom/metisse-0.3.3/FvwmAmetista'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/tom/metisse-0.3.3'
make: *** [all] Error 2

skipper3k
20th January 2005, 12:53 PM
wow, great job jon !

a few questions though:

-this thing is freakishly slow- any way to speed it up a little bit (i've got fc3 and fresh ATI drivers, with 8500 model..)
- the metisse(fvwm) taskbar is still above the gnome taskbar as I run it, how do I hide-remove it, so that I can use only gnome panel?
-and can I import gnome window borders and window applications ?

if that, then I'll start using it wright away! :)

sorry if some questions were answered before, but the thread got really long.. :)
so if you know anything please write, otherwise just point out the messege where it has been answered before

TNX

PS: I posted your pictures on a local forum, hope you don't mind tnx again

jon1012
26th January 2005, 01:23 PM
Hi,

ThaRealest, I don't know, never had this error before :( Could you give me more information ?

skipper3k, thank you :),
- It depends on your graphic card, I know that under linux Nvidia cards get better results, but never tried with ATI... Maybe you should try to tune your "exports" to change options like antialiasing, etc... ?
-You either have to use the menus before the launching of gnome to change the bar mode, or have to change the settings on the settings files directly (you know the dot-named folder containing all the preferences concerning metisse)...
- No you can't... But you can use fvwm themes :) (if you adapt them for fvwmi... that's what I made for the default theme of my package)

Oh and also, if you or anybody else have any question, feel free to contact me by amsn or gaim using the msn protocol on the adresse webmaster -at- lesmondes.com

You're welcome ;)

ps to skipper3k: all I was asking is that you notify me and you did, so there isn't any problem ;)

ghaefb
28th January 2005, 01:21 PM
If you are using nvidia graphic card add:

Option "RenderAccel" "true"
to xorg.conf in 'Device' section to speed up nvidia preformance.
It runs smooth on my comp...

And for ATI:

Option "backingstore" "true"

More info here -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/264044

greatscot
30th January 2005, 03:03 AM
jon, that ROCKS! Please submit a tutorial as soon as you are able.
I wonder if this would work on my AMD Athlon XP 3000+ with a Gig of ram.
You can bet I'll be trying it :D

jon1012
30th January 2005, 06:57 PM
jon, that ROCKS! Please submit a tutorial as soon as you are able.
I wonder if this would work on my AMD Athlon XP 3000+ with a Gig of ram.
You can bet I'll be trying it :D
Mmmhh... ;) The tutorial is on page 3 of this thread :p

raoula
7th February 2005, 01:05 PM
Hi guys - this looks like it would be really cool, but I am having some problems getting it to work. Maybe it is a problem with how I am going about things, if so, I would appreciate any help you could provide. I get through the tutorial with no issues. I then go to startx, and my gnome just hangs there. If I try to start gdm I have to su to get it started, then logging in as user I have the issue of left click doing nothing on the desktop. Any ideas?

mnguyen
8th February 2005, 02:36 AM
Hi

At the last step, "login back using gdm", I do not have GDM option in my options list at login screen (only GNOME, default (supposed to be GNOME) and Failsafe terminal).

How do I configure to add GDM into this option list ? :)

drs
13th April 2005, 06:07 PM
Is this dead? Has anyone recently been able to access jon's server? Also, tchung, are their any plans to update the rpms on fedoranews.org for FC3?

catacomb
20th April 2005, 10:07 AM
ya am trying to use it on FC3 but unsuccessful... too many errors.. anyone care to explain or let me know the steps? Thanks

StarQuake
20th April 2005, 11:38 AM
i believe is this here: http://www.pcquest.com/content/linux/2004/104063006.asp

and here: http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php
No it's not the same, 3ddesktop is for switching desktops. Not for showing windows in 3d perspective.

pdk001
20th April 2005, 09:18 PM
that's great

drs
22nd April 2005, 01:54 AM
So I seemed to have installed this thing without real problems however it runs horribly slow and freezes a few times. Also, clicking "entire gnome session" doesn't do anything. There were a few things that came up during the install however:

I installed the updated versions of nucleo and metisse (which are different then the original ones).

I've tried installing them both using ./configure and making the rpm using tschung's modification to metisse.

.Xclients and .Xclients-default files did not exist, I had to create them.

The variables in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession were something like $DBUM_... rather than $SSHAGENT

Unfortunately I fear that these issues are rather insignificant and that it might be due to the fact that I have an ATI card. My card is ATI Mobility Radeon 9700. I've installed the fglrx drivers from livna.org and have about 2200 fps on glxgears and about 300-400 on fgl_glxgears (before the 3D Desktop stuff is installed). Has anyone gotten this working with ATI? Does anybody want to work through this with me?

FedoraTomorrow[deleted]
22nd April 2005, 08:59 AM
Jon1012,

You noted earlier in this text, not to distribute before asking you. But wouldn't it be easier for people to quote the source and the author? This way your contribution to fedora core will be much greater! But thats just thinking out loud :)

FedoraTomorrow

jamie112
2nd June 2005, 01:39 AM
Dead?

-Jamie

jon1012
2nd June 2005, 02:42 PM
Hello,

Sorry for not answering many messages here these times, I am very busy working on Appliworks (http://appliworks.jondesign.net) and the distribution I use now and of which I'm a developer and art director, Foresight Desktop Linux (http://www.foresightlinux.com).

I've styopped the work on the installer since all distribution, versions, etc... have different way of working, so if I continue my work (which I will very likely do) it will be on Foresight Linux... (as a very simple to use package of course).

FedoraTomorrow: What I meant is that I want to know if you use redistribute it ;) You can do it without really asking, but just quote the author (me, lol) and let me know ;)

Cordially,
Jonathan Schemoul

dareal
28th December 2005, 09:07 PM
Oh ! another important thing :p
Please post screenshots of what you've done with my tutorial, and also tell me if it works well pleasseeee :) (If you're able to take screenshots.. If not I will maybe post another tutorial to take screenshots lool)

hi,
first of all thanks for your tutorial about metisse, im used it to improve the default metisse configs and im used your theme and a main theme to learn how its working. finally here is my metisse desktop, ill make some window decoration and colors ;)
im want to make decors with buttons which used by metisse, im ready with one as you can see on the screenshots ;)

pic 1 (http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3014/68hm.jpg)
pic 2 (http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/6996/84tg.jpg)

btw im a suse linux user, why im post at fedora's forum? linux is just linux ;)

ah the on desktop terminal is an eterm terminal, here is the code for it:


kstart --alldesktops --keepbelow --skippager --skiptaskbar Eterm --geometry 90x30+365+315 --trans=true --borderless --scrollbar=false --buttonbar=false -f white --cmod 99 -c white &

jim
30th December 2005, 09:23 PM
I built 3 rpms to install metisse and the dependencies
these rpms are ased on
metisse 4.0
nucleo 0.5
wm-icons 0.30

Go to http://www.fedorajim.homelinux.com/rpms/metisse/
all 3 rpms are available

the cd to the folder where you doanloaded the rpms
the rpm -ivh *.rpm
log out
choose your window manager e.g. gnome kde metisse default etc..
login

This is for a default metisse session NOT the same as Jon's tutorial

sailor
30th December 2005, 09:57 PM
fedorajim, I guess your page is getting hammered now...can't seem to get in... must be the "Fedora Effect"..:p

jim
30th December 2005, 11:54 PM
is ther a way I can get the rpms here? total in 5 mb for 3 rpms

Finalzone
31st December 2005, 08:34 AM
is it possible to bring Metisse in Extras repository?

Thetargos
31st December 2005, 09:04 AM
I guess that would be a question worth asking to the Extras mailing list (along a test case of the rpms needed, with their respective .src.rpm) for them to check it and given the chance, accept it.

sailor
31st December 2005, 09:14 AM
I would guess that you could add an attachment to your message, just like you would an image.
EDIT...scatch that it will only take a file of 1 meg or less...I'll ask ewdi.

Thetargos
31st December 2005, 09:32 AM
I think the way they had been doing it is by providing URLs to the actual packages, so they could evaluate them.

jim
31st December 2005, 05:00 PM
Here are some screenshots

linmix
31st December 2005, 10:09 PM
Will jon's tutorial still work on fc4?
Do I need to follow it to keep using gnome more or less as usual, but with 3d?
Or is simply installing the rpms fedorajim has so kindly provided enough?
What's the difference?

(I know, a lot of questions, but I'm sure you guys have all the answers ;))

jim
31st December 2005, 10:23 PM
Will jon's tutorial still work on fc4?
Do I need to follow it to keep using gnome more or less as usual, but with 3d?
Or is simply installing the rpms fedorajim has so kindly provided enough?
What's the difference?

(I know, a lot of questions, but I'm sure you guys have all the answers ;))
Yes it still works on FC4

but to use his theme you need to follow his step in downloading bureau3d

jim
31st December 2005, 10:24 PM
FYI if someone wants to take the SRC rpms I have and tweak them so that they can get sponsered by someone by all means i send them to ya !

sailor
1st January 2006, 12:12 AM
I installed the rpms, but no option to pick metisse in "session"?
Was there some other config I needed to do?

jim
1st January 2006, 02:47 PM
I installed the rpms, but no option to pick metisse in "session"?
Was there some other config I needed to do?


Do you have a " .fvwm-metisse " dir in your home folder ?

also
sudo vi /usr/bin/metisse-session
scroll to the bottom change the geometry to your resolution and make sure the -t switch is there


# Ctl-Shift F8/F9 : zoom in/out the full desktop
# Ctl-Shift o : XY roation

Xwnc -ac -geometry 1024x768 :1 &
metisse-start-fvwm -- -t

if you do not have the metissee-session here it is for you to create


#!/bin/sh
#
# For more information, please read /usr/share/metisse/doc/running.html
#
# You can pass options to FvwmAmetista and fvwm via metisse-start-fvwm:
#
# metisse-start-fvwm [ options ] -- [FvwmAmetista options] -- [fvwm options]
#
# Some useful FvwmAmetista options:
#
# -a forces the use of RGB textures in the place of RGBA textures.
# -t disables the use of the stencil buffer for shaped windows.
# -p causes FvwmAmetista to generate mipmap for textures (if supported).
# -n causes FvwmAmetista to use npot texture (if supported).
# -D display fps to stderr.
#
# Some useful Key Bindings:
# Ctl-Shift F1 : reset all the 3D transformation
# Ctl-Shift F2/F3 : Z rotations
# Ctl-Shift F4/F5 : Y rotations
# Ctl-Shift F6/F7 : X rotations
# Ctl-Shift F8/F9 : zoom in/out the full desktop
# Ctl-Shift o : XY roation

Xwnc -ac -geometry 1024x768 :1 &
metisse-start-fvwm -- -t

make sure it is executable chmod +x /usr/bin/metisse-session


Also make sure you have the .Xclients && .Xclients-default file in your home folder

jim
1st January 2006, 03:22 PM
the login menu

Finalzone
1st January 2006, 08:44 PM
Follow these steps (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Contributors) for review. Since I am already a package contributor, I will do it.

jim
1st January 2006, 10:40 PM
I have placed the SRPMS on my Site for anyone who cares to submit them
here is the URL http://www.fedorajim.homelinux.com/rpms/

jim
2nd January 2006, 01:45 AM
FYI if you get into Metisse here is how you can grab a screenshot



chvt 7 ; sleep 5 ; XAUTHORITY=/var/gdm/:0.Xauth DISPLAY=:0.0 import -window root /tmp/Metisse-screenshot.png

Finalzone
2nd January 2006, 03:16 AM
Did you submit a package review in bugzilla from the link I displayed on post #139?

jim
2nd January 2006, 03:44 AM
What a pain in the you know what to submit a package

Can you guide me along?

Finalzone
2nd January 2006, 03:48 AM
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora%20Extras&format=extras-review

jim
2nd January 2006, 04:21 AM
here is the problem, My wife likes to reboot my PC and play her games in windows. I want to make sure the packages are available all the time

Thetargos
2nd January 2006, 05:44 AM
Hmm... open a SourceForge project to host the files? Is a possibility (or register to fileshack too)

Finalzone
2nd January 2006, 07:01 AM
here is the problem, My wife likes to reboot my PC and play her games in windows. I want to make sure the packages are available all the time

I can host SRPMS packages if you don't mind. That's all I need for the reviews.
Url is http://www.thefinalzone.com/Fedora/SRPMS/

Finalzone
2nd January 2006, 10:13 AM
Fedorajim,

I started to review package, some comments:
- On Release line, add %{?dist} which means a suffix for future version of Fedora i.e. fc4. Read PackageNameGuideline (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageNamingGuidelines#head-d175f83f93ca2462c9d9b952fda42a45033ba315) and PackageGuidelines (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingGuidelines)
- spec filename does not have versionning i.e. it should not be metisse04.0.spec. Simply name it metisse.spec.
- Make sure you have rpmlint or mock installed.

Good luck.

jim
2nd January 2006, 02:56 PM
Fedorajim,

I started to review package, some comments:
- On Release line, add %{?dist} which means a suffix for future version of Fedora i.e. fc4. Read PackageNameGuideline (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageNamingGuidelines#head-d175f83f93ca2462c9d9b952fda42a45033ba315) and PackageGuidelines (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingGuidelines)

when I do this it
A fails to build says empty string
A placed a 1 before the %{?dist} and no version was placed in the rpms name


- spec filename does not have versionning i.e. it should not be metisse04.0.spec. Simply name it metisse.spec.

Done


- Make sure you have rpmlint or mock installed.

I install rpmlint

here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/BuildingPackagesGuide

he uses a different method for a release

Starting New thread
For adding metissee to fedora extras the thread has been started
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=90443

sailor
2nd January 2006, 05:43 PM
I am running into all kinds of dependency problems (libstroke,imlib, libread)
I can't seem to install those without other issues...I think I am going to give up on metisse for the time being. My FC4 install has become somewhat unstable recently and I am sure I have broken something so it may be related to that...thanks for the help and all the work you have put into this, I will give it another try once I get things stable again.

jim
2nd January 2006, 05:50 PM
yes those are very weird dependencies

did you try after downloading the rpms


yum localinstall /path/to/rpms/*.rpm

jwspring
4th January 2006, 01:59 AM
I've tried to follow this thread. Are there rpms available to install metisse? other than the source rpm?
Once installed geting it running. Has someone put together a instruction sheet?
I want to try it on my laptop.

Thetargos
4th January 2006, 05:50 AM
Fedorajim: Are you also maintaining these dependencies for Metisse yourself or are they found in Extras too? Otherwise, where could they be obtained? Seems like it would be a good idea to have all the infrastructure needed under the same tree for successful Extras addition.

jim
4th January 2006, 11:30 AM
I'm not maintaining these. i mearly built them from the latest code available for metisse & nucleo
As I stated in this post http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=427716&postcount=135
if someone wanted to take the source and maintain them go for it!


As far as I know you only need metisse Nucleo and the wm-icons to run this window manger

OR install metisse nucleo & beareu ( as Jon stated in his tutorial for the extra theme. )

mnisay
24th January 2006, 02:46 PM
its really sweet, i would try this as soon as i get back home.

mnisay
25th January 2006, 11:25 PM
i was thinking if we have some kind of rubix cube desktop dimensions of this one?
i was just about giving up of ATI Radeon Mobility X600 even if i already got
max reso of 1440x900, i would still greed for its 3d "amazement" feat,
finally, its really3d sweet and cool ... see grabbed desktop as attachment.
keep it up guys! see attachment pls. :D

teethlikelions
28th January 2006, 09:26 PM
* Now... time for reality

Log Off...

Log in back using gdm...

Left-click on the screen...
Choose Ametista Config => Window Themes > Qnx...

Left-Click on the screen again...
Choose Programs => Entire Gnome Session...

* And hopefully... Voilą !

maybe i'm dumb... where/what is 'Ametista Config'?

i'm really not familiar with metisse or anything, i'm just trying to explore a little

mnisay
28th January 2006, 09:39 PM
ametista config is one of the menu selections when you left click on the desktop.
really, just a name of the menu basically.

teethlikelions
28th January 2006, 09:43 PM
but when i left click on the desktop i get no menus...

i installed everything that was mentioned in the tutorial.. maybe i'm just missing something or had an error

mnisay
28th January 2006, 09:59 PM
can you capture your screen and post it here using gimp or print screen?
what method did you followed, from jon or from fedorajim?

teethlikelions
28th January 2006, 10:16 PM
actually, i jon's tutorial, but i seem to have done something rather stupid....

while trying to get fvwm installed, i ran it, and now for some reason or another, my open windows don't have resize borders or a top border, and unless i run 'fvwm' from xterm, i can't type into anything (except xterm)

and when i try to change my window managfer preferences i get an error saying
Cannot start the preferences application for your window manager
Window manager "unknown" has not registered a configuration tool

if you have any suggestions or ideas on what i bunged up, maybe i could get back to you on what the instructions i followed...

also, when making metisse i got a couple "error 1" lines at the end of 'make install'

teethlikelions
28th January 2006, 10:31 PM
what is gnome's default window manager?

when i replaced it w/ fvwm it looks and acts terribly, but i don't don't even know what i replaced!

teethlikelions
28th January 2006, 10:39 PM
here's a screenshot of what it looks like now btw... <img src="http://artax.homelinux.com/snapshot1.png"> (http://artax.homelinux.com/snapshot1.png)

teethlikelions
28th January 2006, 11:31 PM
oik, i'm back to normal...

sory for wasting so much board space....

mnisay
29th January 2006, 03:53 AM
i encountered that too. ;) good to know you are back.

can you post a capture of your 3d desktop now?
you can combine that with 3d desktop so you can have a combination
of 3d desktop + metisse + nucleo ! sweet...but useless LOL

Skinney
29th May 2006, 09:34 PM
just out of curiosity, what is matisse?

EDIT: sorry if this has already been answered, but i've not had the time to read the whole thread *studying for final exam in art & culture history!*

mnisay
30th May 2006, 08:29 AM
see more of metisse here http://www-ihm.lri.fr/~chapuis/metisse/index.html

Al3xanR0
31st May 2006, 06:34 PM
Hey, I wanted to show everybody what I have achieved tonight...
The images are large but it's worth the wait, I can promit you :)


Image1 (http://www.jondesign.net/linux/captures/Capture-bureau3d-2.png)
Image2 (http://www.jondesign.net/linux/captures/Capture-bureau3d2-2.png)


And remember, If there is any question, I'm here to help ;)
Enjoy the view my friends :p

Jonathan
--- Escuse my bad english, I'm french... lol

ps: For the tutorial go to page 3 ! ;)


Very nice, but honestly what is your performance like using Metisse?

Thetargos
31st May 2006, 06:55 PM
Very nice, but honestly what is your performance like using Metisse?
It boils down to your hardware.

Al3xanR0
31st May 2006, 07:13 PM
It boils down to your hardware.

Thanks for the fore warning, I know not to bother. I can see it getting really old about a week after configing and playing with it, much like the short-lived thrills I got from using xcompmgr (http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=71460211944418241356f3&p=screen) . Wonderful eye-candy, however, impractical for daily use from a performance standpoint. :(

Thetargos
31st May 2006, 07:16 PM
Actually there is a good video (over 40Mb) at the link mnisay provided... It CAN be quite useful... It can not apply to every user, but it CAN be quite useful.

Melio
20th July 2006, 11:33 PM
anyone happy with Metisse on every day use?

ihavenoname
21st July 2006, 05:45 AM
Wow this looks pretty cool. Has anyone used this along side XGL? I would imagine that (if you could get it working) you would be crawling unless you had a super computer. I will test this out asap.

AtlDynasty25
15th September 2006, 02:32 PM
Wow this looks pretty cool. Has anyone used this along side XGL? I would imagine that (if you could get it working) you would be crawling unless you had a super computer. I will test this out asap.

Did you ever get this working with xgl?

ihavenoname
16th September 2006, 01:55 AM
Did you ever get this working with xgl?

Actually, i didn't try, I wasn't sure if I had to install packages or build then install packages or how to get it working, I was able to find his how-to in there but then I had to go study and I never got back to it, If some one could point me to the how-to again and tell me where I can find the sources ( or rpms) I would be willing to give it a shot. And let you know what problems I found (and their solutions) etc.