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Phil Airtime
10th October 2007, 11:12 AM
Sorry to register and ask so many questions, but I always think it's better to do it now than download a huge DVD and then realise it's not for me! I've been a Ubuntu user for about eighteen months, but I'm really looking to try something different and what I've read about what Fedora's doing looks right for me. I'm pretty sure I'll get the hang of it; I'll be trying F7 (and F8 when it's out), but I'd just like to put forward a few queries.

1. Fonts: can I download and install the Microsoft core TrueType fonts as I can with Ubuntu? For all my current distro's faults, I love the way it renders fonts as in these screenshots: http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5272/screenshotci1.png http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/7720/screenshot1wy5.png

2. Closed source bits and bobs: you know the stuff; Flash, Java, audio codecs (not fussed about video, but I work in radio so WMA/Real streaming is important to me) etc. Is it easy to get these up and running?

3. Nvidia 3D graphics card: you know what I'm going to ask here. Will it blen- erm, can I get it to work?

4. That DVD! It's kind of huge for my little rural ADSL connection (12 hr download), plus I own no DVD burner so would have to somehow get the ISO to a friend's house to burn. Previous versions offered the far more amenable option of downloading several CDs; I can do that overnight through a few nights, so it's easier. If that's been dropped, fair enough. But I might be missing a little-known FTP site where F7 is available on CD!

Sorry for the bombardment of questions, but it's best to get these things sorted before any rash decisions. Any other advice for a Ubuntu switcher would be quite welcome, too!

Cheers
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gadgetwiz
10th October 2007, 11:47 AM
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Just install from the Live CD or if you like KDE, the KDE live CD. Torrents here (http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/)

JN4OldSchool
10th October 2007, 11:53 AM
welcome aboard. I like to see someone who thinks before he leaps. Yeah, that is the type of person who will do well with Fedora. When you get down to it, Linux is Linux, a lot of your Ubuntu knowledge will hold just as true in Fedora, but there are some new things to learn also.

1. Yes, you can

2. It is all easily installed

3. I have used many distros and maybe it is just because I am used to it, but installing nVidia on Fedora is the easiest by far short of an automatic install script.

OK, points 1,2, and 3. Let me warn you first to NEVER mix the fresh and the Livna repos!!! This is important. Most of us just stay away from the fresh group altogether, but you can use them and you can mix them. It just takes some knowledge of what you are doing. If you ever have to there are plenty of threads on this, for now, just use Livna. The Livna repo will contain all the properity stuff like the nVidia driver, mp3 and everything else.

This is the install guide I use:

http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f7.html

Some of our gurus do not like the kmod-nvidia install directions for some reason, I dont know why, it has always worked fine for me. But here are a couple other guides to browse through:

http://www1.freewebs.com/dnmouse/nvidia.htm

http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Fedora_Linux_Essentials

Just make sure you pick one method for whatever you are doing and stick with it till it works. When the first way doesnt work right off the bat and you try something different then something different from that is when you get a furball going that will usually require a reinstall. Personally, I stick with the first guide and just copy and paste the commands and it hasnt steered me wrong yet.

4. We offer two live CDs, a Gnome version and a KDE version. They top out at just under 700MB and can be used for a hard drive install. For me this is the way to go. You will, of course, have to DL many more apps this way, but with the exception of not containing OO.o the live CDs are pretty fleshed out. Also, be aware that Fedora updates VERY frequently. I am talking 30-100MB every 2-3 days!!! Also, your update after install is going to be ridiculous, probably between 600MB to 1GB depending on what you install. This is the nature of the beast and you can choose to just update security packages by installing that yum plugin.

Anyway, there is a lot to tell you but you need to just jump in and check things out. Just think things through and dont become discouraged when things dont work like you think they should. They do all work and fedora is a very good, solid OS. It really isnt any harder than any other distro but it does have a few quirks. Hope to see you around.

FriedChips
10th October 2007, 12:25 PM
I know all the *buntu users miss their sudo when they get here so lets make this easy as possible for you ( LOL I like using sudo too though :D ). Once you get all up and running. open a console and login as root and start visudo. I hope youve used vi before if not you might wanna read on it first.... But you don't want to edit the sudoers file directly as "visudo" will check your syntax when you're done.


su -
visudo
now look for a line that looks about like this

#%wheel ALL:ALL ALL:NOPASSWD
(may not have the syntax quite right)
and remove the #
then save, exit, and add your user to the wheel group

system-config-users
(just click on your user name hit properties and then go to the groups tab)

that's it! now you have sudo, as well as being able to login as root! :D

Dan
10th October 2007, 01:58 PM
Morning, Phil.

This might help. Back in the bad old days of dial-up, they saved my sanity.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors#head-5a30bd6f0677d6f6324f041c4263b54774a3ffeb

In particular, http://www.thelinuxstore.ca/


Dan

Omnicloud
10th October 2007, 06:17 PM
It seems your questions have been answered, but here's my 2cent since I just came from Ubuntu as well..

As stated above DON"T MIX 3RD PARTY REPOS!! and honestly, i wouldn't even try to balance it out right now as your new to Fedora...Stick with Livna, for basic functionality/eye candy/mp3/codecs/applications--it's ALL you need.

Cinelerra is a cool video editor that everyone thinks is in fresh, but there is a Cinelerra download that has no repo connected to it. I'll post a link if you need an application like that.

I prefer Gnome and I think it's a bit more stable, KDE is the same just a bit prettier...Stay away from Enlightenment right now because it's also too unstable.

Beryl/Compiz are already in Fedora, nice eye candy without installing and configuring compiz-fusion.

yum replaces apt-get..

in a terminal instead of doing sudo apt-get install "app"

you go into a terminal and press su

this logs you in as root

and then you do yum install "app"

very similar stuff, just a little different..;)

You'll get the hang of Fedora in no time and I've come to realize it's way more stable than Ubuntu...

NOTE: there's a bunch of services and background apps that Fedora runs automatically that can be shut off to make your desktop run smoother. Trust me, it works...

I'll edit for the links bud

GOOD LINUX My friend!!

forkbomb
10th October 2007, 11:51 PM
All the answers you've been given should be sufficient but I thought I'd add two cents (hey, you almost have a nickel!)... :)

Just a few points:
a) I also give my nod to the aforementioned install guide:
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f7.html

Gives great how-to's for all the closed source "bits and bobs" as you say - java, flash, codecs, etc. Just follow the setup for sudo and yum at the beginning and after that it's almost all copy-n-paste.
Also try:
http://fedorafaq.org
And some people speak highly of the howtoforge guide, but I've never used it:
http://www.howtoforge.org/the_perfect_desktop_fedora7

b) agree that you shouldn't mix third-party repos. Livna's all you really need. Setting up yum to use it is nice. However, some people don't like it as a general guide so they will just use it to install the "dirty" stuff.

c) Fedora strikes me as more stable than any of the *buntus I've used, so hopefully you will too. (I had an odd problem of the *buntus constantly breaking on me - especially Firefox developing a proprensity to segfault, but no problem like that in Fedora.)

d) I do a lot of my installs from a live CD, so downloading the big DVD fortunately isn't necessary. It is kind of nice for all the software that comes on it, though.

brr872002
11th October 2007, 06:53 AM
4. That DVD! It's kind of huge for my little rural ADSL connection (12 hr download), plus I own no DVD burner so would have to somehow get the ISO to a friend's house to burn. Previous versions offered the far more amenable option of downloading several CDs; I can do that overnight through a few nights, so it's easier. If that's been dropped, fair enough. But I might be missing a little-known FTP site where F7 is available on CD!

Sorry for the bombardment of questions, but it's best to get these things sorted before any rash decisions. Any other advice for a Ubuntu switcher would be quite welcome, too!

Cheers
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you can barrow DVD.iso and copy it into your Fat32 partition.

Burn /images/boot.iso
Select hd install