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4th September 2007, 06:03 AM
I wanted to forget my Windows XP Pro and get into something far better so I installed FC7 on my Dell Inspiron 6000 without a single issue. I do like it a lot but I am having a wicked time trying to install anything program wise. I'd like some Web Design programs that are easy to use and navigate through but after 2 weeks of failed attempts to install a single program, I'm finding my laptop practically useless to me since I keep shying away from using it. If anyone can help with this, please email me at Mountain_Tracker@yahoo.com

NOTE: I have learned to sign in as ROOT but after I do that, nothing else seems to happen even after several attempts.

Thanks for any help at all,

Dazed and confused :confused:

4th September 2007, 08:44 AM
Tell us how you are trying to install programs and what's going wrong and you will likely get more help than you can use.

4th September 2007, 09:30 AM
I am having a wicked time trying to install anything program wise.
Read this document: Managing Software with yum (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum/en/). See also the Using Fedora and Installing Software section of the Fedora FAQ (http://www.fedorafaq.org/).

I'd like some Web Design programs that are easy to use and navigate through
F7 includes Quanta Plus (http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/) in the kdewebdev package, bluefish (http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/) and other programs.

4th September 2007, 09:46 AM
DO NOT SIGN IN TO A GNOME OR KDE SESSION AS ROOT. That said, when you need root privelages open a terminal or console.. Usually under accessories or system tools or both. the type.


then you will be asked for root password. Then feel free to install, remove or search packages with yum.

yum search package-you-want
yum install package-you-found
yum remove package-you-didn't-like

4th September 2007, 10:25 AM
Or you could install one of the many GUI package managers, like YUMEX, like you I too am new to Fedora and Yumex is nice and easy.

To install
SU -
yum install yumex

You will then have Yum Extender as one of you applications from the main menu.

5th September 2007, 06:42 AM
What I'd like to do is install Apache and run my website from my laptop. I can get the Yum Extender loaded, I did a search for Apache under Installed (programs) and there's several Apache items there but how do I proceed from here?

5th September 2007, 07:16 AM
The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/) publishes many software projects, the HTTP server is in Fedora package called "httpd". Install it with:

yum install httpd.

5th September 2007, 09:31 AM
Depends on what you want to use on your website. I suggest installing PHP, MySQL SSL support as well as just the base Apache set up.

Also Apache logs can often over run your drive if your not careful. For a heavily used web server I typically put it on it's own partition and make sure the log files are on that partition too. httpd.conf is the file that tells Apache where everything is or should be. It is also where you set up virtual servers and other major configurations for apache. Don't think there's a GUI for apache configurations yet.

With Yum extender you'll see descriptions of what the packages do. If you are completely new to web development what you can do is google parts of the descriptions to give you a pretty good idea if you ever plan to use that feature or not. You will want to use PHP and you will want either MySQL or Postgress or both. MySQL is a good starting point.

As somebody else pointed out above never log into the GUI as root. It is very easy to su to root or to put the password in as root when accessing administrative functions. When you su use su - the dash gives you root's path which is essential for some tasks. If you don;'t use the dash you will keep your user's path and that is missing some dirs that you will need as root.

If the program won't start from the menu in the GUI just type the name of the program and add a space then ampersign & to background the process.

Most programs you install you will install through yum or yumextender but sometimes you'll need something that is not in the repositories. For rpms su - to root then run
rpm -Uhv [name of the RPM] for example rpm -Uhv xyz.rpm
You can use the -i option instead of -U but I suggest using U as it covers both new installs and updates.

For most tarballs files that end with .tgz you will do this.
tar -xzvf [tarball name]
cd [tarball name minus the .tgz]
./configure [the dot in front of the slash is important, dont forget to use dot slash ]
If you get no errors then
make install
Hopefully all went well and your program is installed. If there is no configuration file read the readme file in the dir and it will tell you how to install the program.

.bin files are just like exe files. Sometimes people forget to archive them wiith execute permissions. So to install from a .bin file you would
./[bin file name]
If you get an error do this.
chmod u+x [binfile name]
then try it again.

There is a good beginners FAQ here on this forum and the unofficial Fedora FAQ is a life saver. Just do a search for the unofficial Fedora FAQ and it'll be the top hit. The official Fedora documentation at the moment is incomplete and quite sparse but hopefully in the near future it will be a very good reference source.