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exubuntu
19th December 2006, 06:29 PM
is there a way to speed this demon up? It's now my favourite update, download prog (after I borked t'other ones that I have synaptic, add/remove). And its great, but It's just so slow! It takes an age to "populate" the downloads menu, with over 5000 options (great to have so many). BUt SLOOOOW. I realise my pc is slow itself, but if there is a software way to do it it would be graetly appreciated.

rick3878894
19th December 2006, 06:44 PM
Well, you could cut the number of repos that you use and have as little soft ware a possible on the system. So that the install and remove lists populate faster.

Not really a great idea but, an idea.

Finalzone
19th December 2006, 09:40 PM
It really depends of the mirror servers. Test a repository with a mirror server and choose the fatest. You can also install an extension called yum-fastermirror.

bob
19th December 2006, 10:05 PM
Finalzone, that 'fastestmirror' extension generally slows everything down to a crawl for most people. There is a new Yumex in 'development' , version 1.2.1, which is a bit faster.

timdsmith
19th December 2006, 11:20 PM
That is true. That fastestmirror plugin makes a horribly slow package manager even more unbearably slow. If you're going to use Fedora, just get use to it. LOL.

Personally I switched to Debian 'Testing' mostly because of Yum. However, I still like to hang out in these forums because the Debian forums are boring. Everything just works in Debian so there aren't many posts there. :p

bob
19th December 2006, 11:42 PM
Timidsmith, I've installed CentOS and found the same thing. No problems, very little discussion in the Forum and a rock-solid distro that, like Debian, is based on aged versions of software. It's comforting to have a distro that may not be the 'latest and greatest' but plugs along steadily.

JN4OldSchool
19th December 2006, 11:46 PM
That is true. That fastestmirror plugin makes a horribly slow package manager even more unbearably slow. If you're going to use Fedora, just get use to it. LOL.

Personally I switched to Debian 'Testing' mostly because of Yum. However, I still like to hang out in these forums because the Debian forums are boring. Everything just works in Debian so there aren't many posts there. :p


Timidsmith, I've installed CentOS and found the same thing. No problems, very little discussion in the Forum and a rock-solid distro that, like Debian, is based on aged versions of software. It's comforting to have a distro that may not be the 'latest and greatest' but plugs along steadily.

So solid there arent any posts in the forum? No problems? No challenges?
AAAHHHHHHHH NO NO! I WONT GO! YOU WONT DRAG ME TO THAT HELL!!!!
AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH

bob
20th December 2006, 12:10 AM
Actually, it's kinda neat, in an 'old school' way. No need to ask questions, since CentOS is pretty much FC. Up2Date is there and works pretty well; you install Nvidia with the old methods from the Nvidia site and there's no repository war since Livna is not involved, just the RPMForge group. There's even a way to block conflicts from Freshrpms, etc. that might affect critical system applications.

And, the other two guys in the Forum are really interesting. We're involved in a heated debate on yeast vs. rid-X for septic tank care and the best fescue grasses for those problem shady spots on your lawn... :D

hiberphoptik
20th December 2006, 12:17 AM
actually if you wait for the next gen of yumex its waaaaaaaaaaay faster!

If you are too impatient and dont mind using a non released version you can grab it here...

http://www.yum-extender.org/dnl/yumex/devel/

rick3878894
20th December 2006, 12:25 AM
The New one is way faster!

timdsmith
20th December 2006, 12:47 AM
Timidsmith, I've installed CentOS and found the same thing. No problems, very little discussion in the Forum and a rock-solid distro that, like Debian, is based on aged versions of software. It's comforting to have a distro that may not be the 'latest and greatest' but plugs along steadily.Yeah! I'm running the 'Testing' version so the software is way newer than 'Stable'. Gnome for instance is version 2.14.3 so it's not old old. The thing is, all packages go through the 'Unstable' tree and get the ***** tested out of them before moving to testing...So testing is rock solid.

timdsmith
20th December 2006, 12:51 AM
Actually, it's kinda neat, in an 'old school' way. No need to ask questions, since CentOS is pretty much FC. Up2Date is there and works pretty well; you install Nvidia with the old methods from the Nvidia site and there's no repository war since Livna is not involved, just the RPMForge group. There's even a way to block conflicts from Freshrpms, etc. that might affect critical system applications.

And, the other two guys in the Forum are really interesting. We're involved in a heated debate on yeast vs. rid-X for septic tank care and the best fescue grasses for those problem shady spots on your lawn... :DYou do the same with Debian. Install Nvidia drivers the old way...Running the installer from Nvidia's site. And with 18,000 packages in the Debian repos, there isn't any need for other repositories. Except for one that has the 'Dirty' codecs in it. But that's pretty much all it has in it.

leigh123linux
20th December 2006, 01:22 AM
is there a way to speed this demon up? It's now my favourite update, download prog (after I borked t'other ones that I have synaptic, add/remove). And its great, but It's just so slow! It takes an age to "populate" the downloads menu, with over 5000 options (great to have so many). BUt SLOOOOW. I realise my pc is slow itself, but if there is a software way to do it it would be graetly appreciated.

try smart its quick


yum -y install smart smart-gui

bob
20th December 2006, 01:36 AM
Yep, I've also got Mint and Ubuntu on a couple of partitions, so have played a bit with variants of debian. Very good distros and certainly worthy of the praise they've been getting. Frankly, I'd love to see apt and synaptic work as well on FC as it does on PCLOS, and the 'buntu's; it's just very very fast.

As to the dirty codecs, yep, we've got our choice on which repository to go to, but since they can't agree.... Okay, a 'rant' is appropriate:

(rant) Let's face facts; RPMForge and Livna and ATrpms are never going to work together and who pays the price? We do, if we make the mistake of enabling all of them and/or picking too many programs from multiple repositories. We have version conflicts and updates wanting to replace existing programs. For years now some of us have been recommending one repository or another to each new user. Perhaps we've liked some 'how-to' site and have based our selection on that.

Well folks, if the repositories can't agree, perhaps the Forum members can. Let's be consistent in recommending only one 3rd. party repository when giving instructions and asking those who have 'how-to' sites out there to use that repository in the instructions. If they choose not to, then let's not refer to the site when giving instructions. So, which to choose? Well, no matter what your preferences are, it sure seems that Livna has the inside track since it's linked to Extras. And, of course, the FedoraFAQ is linked to us and uses Livna. So, to me it seems clear that Livna would be the better choice.

Of course the other repositories for FC have a right to exist, and there are many more out there that seldom get mentioned. People have a right to put their tutorials out there for others. That's all fine, but we really ought to keep our instructions on this Forum a bit more uniform than they've been in the past.
(/rant)

ZeusZon
20th December 2006, 01:42 AM
actually if you wait for the next gen of yumex its waaaaaaaaaaay faster!

If you are too impatient and dont mind using a non released version you can grab it here...

http://www.yum-extender.org/dnl/yumex/devel/

Yes, I can certainly confirm that.

Looks like they have used a similar method to read database/repos as pirut (fc6 bundled yum installer)

timdsmith
20th December 2006, 01:53 AM
Yep, I've also got Mint and Ubuntu on a couple of partitions, so have played a bit with variants of debian. Very good distros and certainly worthy of the praise they've been getting. Frankly, I'd love to see apt and synaptic work as well on FC as it does on PCLOS, and the 'buntu's; it's just very very fast. Agreed. With fc6 on this machine, it took 5 minutes for yumex to be usable when opened. And with the repos I had, only about 6000 packages to be installed. With Debian, I open Synaptic and it is usable in about 3 seconds. Same machine. Same internet connection. I reload all the databases, and it's ready again in 10 seconds. And over 18,000 packages listed.

I used Smart, Smart-gui for a while with fc but it kept mucking things up.

bob
20th December 2006, 02:01 AM
Well yumex 1.9.0 is certainly better. Just timed it from password to fully open in under 35 seconds including all updates, available packages. Reload was about 15 seconds after installing a program. It's not as quick as synaptic yet, but heck I can live with those speeds easily!

timdsmith
20th December 2006, 05:05 AM
Wow! That's way better than it was!

JN4OldSchool
20th December 2006, 05:26 AM
Bob, I strongly agree with what you are saying about the repos. It seems to me that if we, as a community, loosly agree to support one then everyone would be better off. I use Livna this time round, that would be my choice also, but if you want to support Fresh just say the word and thats what I will recomend. It just seems to me we should all have some consensus on this.