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USACOMPUTERTEC
28th October 2006, 09:01 PM
OK My college professor tells me to sign up for a Linux class. Oh joy I thought this should be fun. I had no idea I had to learn Fedora Core 5. OK so I order two very expencive FC5 books and install FC5 32 bit on my 64 bit PC since the drivers for 64 bit are not good. I start to do my assignments and everything seems to work after I get my invisible mouse visible and do some other tweaks. Then for no reason the Updates Stop. Oh FC6 is too popular ok well thats great for me. So I wait and then after it is over I try to get XGL working with FC5. I follow everyone's notes on the forums and they don't work each time I reinstall. So I finaly say to myself well FC6 must be better so I download it. So it says it has support built in for a 3D desktop effects thing. I try to enaboe it and it says it can't. I look and my hardware is supported so back to the forums I go. I follow the directions and it says this time in the terminal that I don't have GL when I have an nvidia Geforce 6100 video device and it is in the supported list. So what does all this mean? Oh ya I can't ever get those stupid plugins to work with Firefox like Realplayer 10, Flash, and others even when I go to about:plugins and it says they are installed and working. I go to the forums and they don't help. Is it just me or are their some serious issues with Fedora Core 5 and 6 ?

I would rather use Ubuntu 6.06 or Freespire or SUSE 10.1 than this. This just drives me nuts. Maybe that is what it was designed to do. If you ask me it's just getting more complicated instead of more simplified which is similar to how WINDOWS is constructed. Why not STOP look at the monster we have created and figure out how to tame it before releasing it on the public. A bad impression of Fedora Core 6 is worse than still using 4. My college professor even told me he liked 4 much better but had no choice in the matter. My text books are filled with all the junk that you programmers decided to throw into this os. I have 6 inches of text to go threw because of all this added giberish. I bet you could cut most of it out and make it as simple as Ubuntu 6.06 and add the functionality of Fedora to it.

Just a suggestion.

Jongi
28th October 2006, 09:32 PM
Sorry to hear your experience didn't work out.

However you will find other people have the same frustrations with other installs. For instance I am going to nuke my SUSE 10.1 install.

gavinw6662
28th October 2006, 09:43 PM
ohh gosh - freespire........I tried it twice - didn't like it. Too flashy for me.


My advice, patience. Part of linux is learning to hack at configuration files and making changes. You learn more when doing so. Linux is based on the principal that everything is essentially a "file". And you can make tweaks to just about any file. Given this - there are a TON of options. It doesn't get frustrating, but if you have patience you will learn to love it!

USACOMPUTERTEC
28th October 2006, 09:49 PM
ohh gosh - freespire........I tried it twice - didn't like it. Too flashy for me.


My advice, patience. Part of linux is learning to hack at configuration files and making changes. You learn more when doing so. Linux is based on the principal that everything is essentially a "file". And you can make tweaks to just about any file. Given this - there are a TON of options. It doesn't get frustrating, but if you have patience you will learn to love it!

To a certain degree. It's like going out and buying Windows Vista oh sure it sounds fun untill you try to get all your hardware working right. for me Freespire 1.0.2 just works no hacks needed. Of course 1.0.13 works better on older machines for hardware support. Patience Patience Patience maybe that will get me XGL but by the time it does the system that supports it will be too unstable for me to use because Linux just rushes into things without sufficiant testing. Where is their patience? :confused: They say XGL works really good with Ubuntu 6.06 so wny not try? I think I will if I can figure out how to get this mess off my computer and start over.

I know Fedora is for developers but If it's promoted to the public for public use then why can't they make an unbloated version that boots fast, runs stable, and has all the nice video effects?

PsychoTrauma
28th October 2006, 09:58 PM
I hope you installed the nvidia drivers from livna and edited xorg.conf before getting so irritated. here is a good guide for setting it up. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=121119

Ignore the DRI stuff since you're using nvidia but everthing else follow.

USACOMPUTERTEC
28th October 2006, 10:08 PM
That is what got me messed up in the first place. I went there followed the directions and no more Desktop Effects Icon? Why

PsychoTrauma
28th October 2006, 10:34 PM
After to logged out and logged back in did you open terminal and type desktop-effects ?

arapidsfan
28th October 2006, 10:38 PM
Ok, instead of complaing upload your xorg.conf, and hopefully we can get this to work out.

ANd, I m shure we can get your plugins in to to run. So, upload your xorg.conf and explain,

THanks

Matthew

Dan
28th October 2006, 11:10 PM
Good Grief, man!

Quit b*tching! Let these guys help you out, then lean into it, get it solved, and get back in the game! A bunch of these new users, fresh out of Windows, need your help too! :p

For Heaven's sake! Don't make these poor unsuspecting newbies have to depend on idiots like ME for help! :eek:

Dan

bob
28th October 2006, 11:19 PM
Yep, if you think college is tough, wait until you get out into the work force and find out where the REAL asshats are! Chill with a cold one and remember that it's the weekend and this too shall pass (even if you don't :D )

USACOMPUTERTEC
28th October 2006, 11:30 PM
Ok, instead of complaing upload your xorg.conf, and hopefully we can get this to work out.

ANd, I m shure we can get your plugins in to to run. So, upload your xorg.conf and explain,

THanks

Matthew

Ok you asked for it just go to http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=660525#post660525

u-noneinc-s
28th October 2006, 11:31 PM
bob said:
asshatsGood one, I like that. Good description of where my head is sometimes

arapidsfan
28th October 2006, 11:57 PM
Ok, is that your fedora core 6 xorg.conf?
send us that.

If that is your fedora core 6: your using the nv driver not the nvidia one
Ok, make shure that the your livna kmod-nvidia driver is installed. Make shure !

Then we can make it enable desktop effects.

and then

USACOMPUTERTEC
28th October 2006, 11:58 PM
Look I posted it all here http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=660561#post660561

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 12:02 AM
to be a little more precise, it's posted HERE (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=660365&postcount=408)

arapidsfan
29th October 2006, 12:19 AM
ok, if run this command as root.

/sbin/modprobe nvidia
if that doesn't (say/do) do anything make your xorg.conf this: (make shure to backup the old one)


it with this: (make shure you back up your current one)





Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "glx"
Load "dbe"
Load "extmod"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard0"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "HWcursor" "false"
Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Videocard0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection




restart X (ctrl alt backspace)
and then try to enable effects

Matthew

Jongi
29th October 2006, 12:19 AM
USA your attitude is not gonna make people feel like helping you.

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 12:24 AM
# Xorg configuration created by pyxf86config

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "glx"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard0"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "HWcursor" "false"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Videocard0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection


This is my current configuration

arapidsfan
29th October 2006, 12:33 AM
ok. sorry i changed it but I bet this will work: replace your current xorg.conf with this ]


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia"
ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "glx"
Load "dbe"
Load "extmod"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard0"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "HWcursor" "false"
Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Videocard0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection


now restart X

JN4OldSchool
29th October 2006, 12:38 AM
USA my friend, if I may butt in, it sounds like you are trying to bite off more than you can chew. Forget all the cutting edge stuff that only half works at this point anyway and learn the basics first. It isnt hard to get into but it does take time. Some folks are just naturally quick learners and fly through it, others like me kind of putter along tinkering with a problem at a time. You have been in this forum for just over two weeks and every post sounds like a dire life or death emergency. Relax. Think about what you want to do and how you will go about doing it. Get all the basics working right before you jump off into that compiz, xgl stuff. If Ubuntu is easier for you to use, go for it. Dont worry about what anyone else thinks, it is YOUR computer. If you want to run Vista then do it! Life is way too short to be getting this worked up. Slow down, feel things out. Read these posts twice so you fully understand what you are being told. Now, go get em tiger...

arapidsfan
29th October 2006, 12:41 AM
JN4OldSchool: I agree but there is no reason not to try to get this to work. Plus it will work when he makes those changes to xorg.conf.
There isn no reason to not try everything. As i am only in highschool.
and that is the best way to learn.

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 12:44 AM
I'm not sure what was diffrent but that conf configuration worked. Now I have 2 questinos
1. why does my mouse flicker and some times disapear?
2. How do you rotate the cube?

JN4OldSchool
29th October 2006, 12:48 AM
JN4OldSchool: I agree but there is no reason not to try to get this to work. Plus it will work when he makes those changes to xorg.conf.
There isn no reason to not try everything. As i am only in highschool.
and that is the best way to learn.

Actually, if you check Firewings howto thread, USA is currently working with someone else in there and sounds like he about has it! :)

bob
29th October 2006, 12:48 AM
Ctrl + Alt + left or right arrow keys or Ctrl + Alt + left-click the mouse to spin. No exact clue on the mouse except that I'll bet your 3D gaming is gonna be full of artifacts and flashes with it enabled.

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 12:49 AM
There are a few posts about "screen flicker" of some sort with the desktop effects. Perhaps the mouse is in that group?
For rotating the cube, I think it has to do with corners. (I'm not there yet either and I don't think my old Radeon7000 will be supported when I do get there).

arapidsfan
29th October 2006, 12:51 AM
Good!
rotate the cube ctrl alt click! or click in the lower right corner!

Flicker I dont know does it happen only with desktop effects?

arapidsfan
29th October 2006, 12:52 AM
u-noneinc-s: your Radeon7000 should work

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 12:59 AM
u-noneinc-s: your Radeon7000 should work
K-e-w-e-l!

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 01:05 AM
Yes only with desktop effects and usually when I hold down the Ctrl and Windows key and move the mouse to produce a ripple affect or when I rotate the screen. The mouse disappears. But when I move it over the top task bar menus it goes back to normal but not if their is still an active ripple from Ctrl Windows key on the desktop. Interesting?

arapidsfan
29th October 2006, 01:09 AM
well, does it come back? what hardware do you have?

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 01:11 AM
OK now I need to know how to get my plugins to work with firefox.
Haven't installed them yet...

1 Realplayer 10
2 Flash Player
3 mplayer

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 01:27 AM
Read THIS (http://macromedia.mplug.org/faq.html#fedora) before you install flash. For fc5 there is a macromedia repo that installs flash. It may work for 6. If you wish to try it, create a file in /etc/yum.repos.d/ called macromedia.repo
Add the following lines
[macromedia]
name=Macromedia for i386 Linux
baseurl=http://macromedia.rediris.es/rpm/
enabled=0
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=http://macromedia.mplug.org/FEDORA-GPG-KEY

Add a carraige return at the bottom and save. yum install flash-plugin.
This one doesn't work for everyone but there are other methods.
Wait for other replies before trying this one.

PsychoTrauma
29th October 2006, 01:33 AM
Does that repo have the beta 9 plugin?

for mplayer all you need is mplayerplug-in and of course mplayer.

Why do you need realplayer?

for the mplayer codecs download:

http://rpm.greysector.net/yum/all/i386/mplayer-codecs-20060611-1.i386.rpm
http://rpm.greysector.net/yum/all/i386/mplayer-codecs-extra-20060611-1.i386.rpm

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 01:39 AM
I doubt it. Just the stock 7.x

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 01:45 AM
for mplayer all you need is mplayerplug-in and of course mplayer.

Why do you need realplayer? Agreed, mplayer will play rm

arapidsfan
29th October 2006, 01:45 AM
I would use the flash player beta . http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html download it here and extract it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins restart mozilla.

you can yum install mplayer mplayerplug-in mplayer-gui
with livna of course.

use these
http://rpm.greysector.net/yum/all/i386/mplayer-codecs-20060611-1.i386.rpm
http://rpm.greysector.net/yum/all/i386/mplayer-codecs-extra-20060611-1.i386.rpm


and no need for realplayer.

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 01:54 AM
I think I've seen this posted but I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment. Do we need to uninstal flash-plugin-7.x to install the beta or will it overwrite 7?

arapidsfan
29th October 2006, 02:04 AM
uninstall it is easy, just remove the file.

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 02:20 AM
I would use the flash player beta . http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html download it here and extract it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins restart mozilla.

you can yum install mplayer mplayerplug-in mplayer-gui
with livna of course.

use these
http://rpm.greysector.net/yum/all/i386/mplayer-codecs-20060611-1.i386.rpm
http://rpm.greysector.net/yum/all/i386/mplayer-codecs-extra-20060611-1.i386.rpm


and no need for realplayer.

What do you type in the terminal to use those links to install with yum? Oh ya I want mplayer also so I can support Windows Media Player.

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 02:25 AM
This worked for flash

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 02:27 AM
Read THIS (http://macromedia.mplug.org/faq.html#fedora) before you install flash. For fc5 there is a macromedia repo that installs flash. It may work for 6. If you wish to try it, create a file in /etc/yum.repos.d/ called macromedia.repo
Add the following lines
[macromedia]
name=Macromedia for i386 Linux
baseurl=http://macromedia.rediris.es/rpm/
enabled=0
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=http://macromedia.mplug.org/FEDORA-GPG-KEY

Add a carraige return at the bottom and save. yum install flash-plugin.
This one doesn't work for everyone but there are other methods.
Wait for other replies before trying this one.

This worked for flash

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 02:32 AM
This worked for flash
Glad it worked, but bookmark arapidsfan's advice in case you want to try flash-9-beta later. (If you don't know how to bookmark a specific post instead of the whole thread, just right click on the post number)

cooney
29th October 2006, 02:33 AM
I apologize in advance that I haven't read every word in ths thread before replying.

However, check out http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html. He has stated somewhere in these forums that he may not do this again for fc6 as he is switching to ubuntu. But at the same time has stated that the fc5 instructions he has provided do work for fc6. Sorry I don't have the link immediately available for that statement either.

All I can testify to is that, his instuctions have worked for me since fc3 and I am sorry he is leaving the fold. If it weren't for his guides I'd probably, reluctantly, ...ly and ...ly be still enslaved by redmond.

Have a look. It worked for me.

Bob

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 02:58 AM
I would use the flash player beta . http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html download it here and extract it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins restart mozilla.

you can yum install mplayer mplayerplug-in mplayer-gui
with livna of course.

use these
http://rpm.greysector.net/yum/all/i386/mplayer-codecs-20060611-1.i386.rpm
http://rpm.greysector.net/yum/all/i386/mplayer-codecs-extra-20060611-1.i386.rpm


and no need for realplayer.

[root@localhost ~]# rpm -Uhv http://rpm.greysector.net/yum/all/i386/mplayer-codecs-20060611-1.i386.rpm
Retrieving http://rpm.greysector.net/yum/all/i386/mplayer-codecs-20060611-1.i386.rpm
warning: /var/tmp/rpm-xfer.hEhWGo: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID b6d6aef5
error: Failed dependencies:
mplayer >= 1.0pre7 is needed by mplayer-codecs-20060611-1.i386
[root@localhost ~]#

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 03:17 AM
First: yum install mplayer mplayerplug-in mplayer-gui Then install the codecs. There may be an rpm option to ignore the key. The key signatures are there to insure you are getting signed packages.(secure, uninfected, unaltered, whatever)
Try rpm --nosignature -Uvh packagename (or get the codecs from livna if they have them). I assume arapidsfan had a reason for leading you to greysector. Maybe they are more reliable, I don't know. you might wait for a reply from him...

arapidsfan
29th October 2006, 03:30 AM
sorry, I just lead you there form PsychoTrauma, said them, I do not believe livna has them. I have always just downloaded and extracted from mplayer's site.

I will warn you there are some problems with windows media on 64 bit architectures.
(not fedora's falt, not the linux project's falt, but the falt of proprietary codecs)

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 03:36 AM
First: yum install mplayer mplayerplug-in mplayer-gui Then install the codecs. There may be an rpm option to ignore the key. The key signatures are there to insure you are getting signed packages.(secure, uninfected, unaltered, whatever)
Try rpm --nosignature -Uvh packagename (or get the codecs from livna if they have them). I assume arapidsfan had a reason for leading you to greysector. Maybe they are more reliable, I don't know. you might wait for a reply from him...

I installd Mplayer but it does not work in the browser yet. Also I need to install realpyaler 10

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 03:38 AM
My mplayer plugin (singular) is from livna. FC5 I think my codecs came from Stanton Finleys notes (Tommy Chung) w32codecs-all or something like that.

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 03:43 AM
If you also installed mplayerplug-in you probably only need to restart FF for it to register.

arapidsfan
29th October 2006, 03:47 AM
ok, make shure you have installed the plugin and restarted the browser. then type about: plugins and see if it is there.

If you really want to install real player http://www.real.com/realcom/R?href=http%3A%2F%2Fforms.real.com%2Freal%2Fplayer %2Fdownload.html%3Ff%3Dunix%2FRealPlayer10GOLD.rpm %26amp%3Bproduct%3Dplayerplus%26amp%3Bsystem%3Dlin ux&pageid=unagi.8083677&pageregion=advanced_install&src=linux&pcode=rn&opage=linux
and use that rpm.

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 04:11 AM
ok, make shure you have installed the plugin and restarted the browser. then type about:plugins and see if it is there.

If you really want to install real player http://www.real.com/realcom/R?href=http%3A%2F%2Fforms.real.com%2Freal%2Fplayer %2Fdownload.html%3Ff%3Dunix%2FRealPlayer10GOLD.rpm %26amp%3Bproduct%3Dplayerplus%26amp%3Bsystem%3Dlin ux&pageid=unagi.8083677&pageregion=advanced_install&src=linux&pcode=rn&opage=linux
and use that rpm.

It is working in Ephiphany web browser. Does not fully function on www.plr.org when you hit windows media. It works on freespire when I try it wtih mplayer. Anyway it works on www.klove .com I have Real Player 10 installed but it is not recognized in my about : plugins in my web browser there no :p YAY

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 04:42 AM
Did you get the codecs installed? They are needed for Windows media support. If the ones provided earlier don't work (or won't install) try HERE (http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html#Codecs) These notes are for 5 but should work on 6 as well. Not as simple as some things but if you take it one step at a time you should have no problems.
You might also look up some Firewing1 posts. He has lots of how-to's in his signature. Actually, I think they are posted in the forum how to's in the "forum jump" link below.

cooney
29th October 2006, 04:48 AM
usa & friends,

FWIW, I can't get the music to play on this site (plr.org) on my fedora rig either, although I can do just about anything else. It works fine on my mac osx tiger box as well as my win 98 box. Sorry, I don't do xp. Something (java?) on this site just won't play the music feed in Fedora?!?

I tried :(

Bob

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 05:03 AM
Same here. I get no results with plr.org (page loads but I hear nothing) and www.klove I can get the player to load but I don't hear anything.
So, USACOMPUTERTEC: it's not necessarily your setup. Perhaps it requires a later version of windows media than the codecs provide.

cooney
29th October 2006, 05:09 AM
update,

Fedora; works ok in epiphany here too. opera gave some error which i'm sorry to say that i was to quick to click on ok before reading it (and no sound feed started playing), but trying it again to catch the error message, it worked perfectly the second time. weird error! never come across a site like this before. does not work with firefox (my main browser).

bob

cooney
29th October 2006, 05:15 AM
i couldn't get klove to work in fedora, mac or windows

bob

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 05:19 AM
Same here. I get no results with plr.org (page loads but I hear nothing) and www.klove I can get the player to load but I don't hear anything.
So, USACOMPUTERTEC: it's not necessarily your setup. Perhaps it requires a later version of windows media than the codecs provide.

It works in Freespire Linux. I don't know why it does not work in Fedora. It works in a lot of other versions of linux. I have got www.klove.com to play with mplayer. I set it up once. It ran into an error and crashed. I set it up again and it played fine I clicked finish and skipped the test. I had to give it about 2 minutes to start playing. Must be the server. I have 7 MBps connection download speed.

OK I just did what you guys said on that blue web page that you said to click on HERE and everything worked. Still can't get plr.org to work.

Can someone tell me how to get into the advanced options of Desktop Effects or at least what all the shortcut keys are and how about how you take a screen shot while moving around or how to record the desktop video while moving around? Like record what you are doing to a video file.

Oh ya you know that Fedora Logo on the top side of the cube how do you change that picture and how about the pic on the bottom.

cooney
29th October 2006, 05:23 AM
i got klove tp work in mac safari after 20 questions. i think they have their on prorietory player. I hope I can perform an exorcism :eek:

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 05:30 AM
I wanted to install Democracy Player for free TV for Linux but I got this dependency error. Just a quickie I hope.

Missing Dependency: mozilla = 37:1.7.12 is needed by package Democracy


I still would like access to one of the XGL or Compiz control pannels that you get for Compiz for Desktop Effects.

cooney
29th October 2006, 05:48 AM
It works in Freespire Linux. I don't know why it does not work in Fedora. It works in a lot of other versions of linux. I have got www.klove.com to play with mplayer. I set it up once. It ran into an error and crashed. I set it up again and it played fine I clicked finish and skipped the test. I had to give it about 2 minutes to start playing. Must be the server. I have 7 MBps connection download speed.

OK I just did what you guys said on that blue web page that you said to click on HERE and everything worked. Still can't get plr.org to work.

Can someone tell me how to get into the advanced options of Desktop Effects or at least what all the shortcut keys are and how about how you take a screen shot while moving around or how to record the desktop video while moving around? Like record what you are doing to a video file.

Oh ya you know that Fedora Logo on the top side of the cube how do you change that picture and how about the pic on the bottom.


Ferdora is the bleeding edge of (Linux (& them some) technology). However, no matter how hard you try, some stuff, to put it politely, doesn't work.

I don't know how to say this politically correct, so i won't try too hard. I've had a much easier time getting gambling and smut sites to work with any OS than these to Christian radio stations that you're having a problem with that want too much info to "help, educate" their 'Player' to understand your bandwidth. They already know your speed when you hookup. I really hope I don't have to nuke my Mac (tiger) box after tryin' to help you get this thing to work. I really didn't appreciate the questions that www.klove.com was asking me while I was trying to help you with your conundrum.

I only wish you the best in your exploration of Linux and if Linspire or ubuntu works for you, go for it.

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 06:04 AM
For Democracy, try yum update mozilla (I would think mozilla is installed by default so you just need a newer version) rpm -qa |grep mozilla will tell you what version you have. I have 1.7.13-1.1 (I don't know what the 37: means)

There are subtle and probably major difference in software between distros. Some distros support mp3 and windows and such out of the box. Fedora doesn't support anything proprietary. That's why you have to install all this "3rd party" stuff. It's definatly an adventure.

I am out of suggestions myself ofr plugins and codecs. I don't know about Desktop Effects. Good luck on the rest, and don't give up. Not yet anyway ;)

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 06:06 AM
Ferdora is the bleeding edge of (Linux (& them some) technology). However, no matter how hard you try, some stuff, to put it politely, doesn't work.

I don't know how to say this politically correct, so i won't try too hard. I've had a much easier time getting gambling and smut sites to work with any OS than these to Christian radio stations that you're having a problem with that want too much info to "help, educate" their 'Player' to understand your bandwidth. They already know your speed when you hookup. I really hope I don't have to nuke my Mac (tiger) box after tryin' to help you get this thing to work. I really didn't appreciate the questions that www.klove.com was asking me while I was trying to help you with your conundrum.

I only wish you the best in your exploration of Linux and if Linspire or ubuntu works for you, go for it.

Thanks for all your help I am learning a lot here. You have Linux installed on your mac? OK. I knew it worked on a mac but did not know there were so many Mac users using Linux. Wierd. Don't you prefer mac OS X? Anyway I still am hoping to figure all this wierd stuff out.

USACOMPUTERTEC
29th October 2006, 06:08 AM
For Democracy, try yum update mozilla (I would think mozilla is installed by default so you just need a newer version) rpm -qa |grep mozilla will tell you what version you have. I have 1.7.13-1.1 (I don't know what the 37: means)

There are subtle and probably major difference in software between distros. Some distros support mp3 and windows and such out of the box. Fedora doesn't support anything proprietary. That's why you have to install all this "3rd party" stuff. It's definatly an adventure.

I am out of suggestions myself ofr plugins and codecs. I don't know about Desktop Effects. Good luck on the rest, and don't give up. Not yet anyway ;)

[root@localhost ~]# yum update mozilla
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Setting up Update Process
Setting up repositories
macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00
livna 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00
core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00
updates 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB 00:00
extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00
Reading repository metadata in from local files
Could not find update match for mozilla
No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion
[root@localhost ~]#

cooney
29th October 2006, 06:22 AM
Some distros support mp3 and windows and such out of the box. Fedora doesn't support anything proprietary. That's why you have to install all this "3rd party" stuff. It's definatly an adventure.

I have all that installed ( http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html ) and the sites usa is trying to get to work won't work with fedora and firefox (adblock?), on my fedora box anyways. There's something strange about those sites. I don't know what it is. I only have enough web programming experience to be dangerous to myself and others close by. But those sites and their live-streaming tech'not'ogy makes me look like a pro.

I really wish I had an answer for him (usa). Solving obscure problems like these keeps me alive one more day.

Bob

cooney
29th October 2006, 06:35 AM
Thanks for all your help I am learning a lot here. You have Linux installed on your mac? OK. I knew it worked on a mac but did not know there were so many Mac users using Linux. Wierd. Don't you prefer mac OS X? Anyway I still am hoping to figure all this wierd stuff out.

No sir, (running osx on the mac, not linux)

I have a mac and a few win 98 boxes aside and connected to my fedora box. Thanx for not getting offended by my previous post(s). I can get both the sites that give you (and me) hell with fedora to work on my mac box (mac osx(one of those cats(ok, the current one)). after 20 questions about my connection speed and what cerial I eat for breakfast. (OK, the cerial question was a slight stretch of truth, BUTt..)

Like you it works with epiphany. I got it to work with opera ( in fedora) after clicking (without reading the error message) and starting opera again. I don't know why. Do you have adblock installed on your firefox and what version of ff are you using sir?

bob

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 06:39 AM
Same here. I used Stans notes for most (if not all) of my extra goodies)

cooney
29th October 2006, 06:43 AM
Same here. I used Stans notes for most (if not all) of my extra goodies)


Stans notes were the best. I didn't have a clue what I was typing as per his intructions when I first ventured into Linux FC3, even though my first computer was a Vic20 ,quote from Captain Kirk, "The Computer of the 80's".

Yeah, 5 whole K of RAM. :) :) :)

u-noneinc-s
29th October 2006, 06:49 AM
The first one I'm aware of was a Sinclare (suitcase) but the first one I owned and used "pitifully" was a P60 (the defective one). But I never learned a damn thing til I installed FC3 and found this forum:D

cooney
29th October 2006, 06:51 AM
Don't you prefer mac OS X?

No. I actually prefer linux. Guess it reminds me of my Vic20, pre apple II / /// / Lisa / Mac 128 days. At least with Vic, you could pull her pants down and get into her bits. ;) or should I have said bytes :D

cooney
29th October 2006, 06:54 AM
The first one I'm aware of was a Sinclare

I actually was debating between the Sinclare, (TI99/4a (Bill Cosby)) and Vic. Vicky won!!!

USACOMPUTERTEC
30th October 2006, 07:04 AM
Here is another iritation

Component: Software Manager
Summary: TB58c7de5b grabber.py:1211:_do_grab:OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '//var/cache/yum/core/packages/kdelibs-3.5.4-10.fc6.i386.rpm'

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/sbin/pirut", line 327, in _apply
self.applyChanges(self.mainwin)
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pirut/__init__.py", line 533, in applyChanges
dlpkgs = self.downloadPackages(mainwin)
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pirut/__init__.py", line 275, in downloadPackages
probs = self.downloadPkgs(dlpkgs)
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 690, in downloadPkgs
cache=po.repo.http_caching != 'none',
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/yumRepo.py", line 468, in getPackage
cache=cache
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/yumRepo.py", line 451, in __get
http_headers=headers,
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 411, in urlgrab
return self._mirror_try(func, url, kw)
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 397, in _mirror_try
return func_ref( *(fullurl,), **kwargs )
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 927, in urlgrab
return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url, filename)
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 845, in _retry
r = apply(func, (opts,) + args, {})
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 915, in retryfunc
fo._do_grab()
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 1211, in _do_grab
os.utime(self.filename, (modified_stamp, modified_stamp))
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '//var/cache/yum/core/packages/kdelibs-3.5.4-10.fc6.i386.rpm'

Local variables in innermost frame:
self: <urlgrabber.grabber.URLGrabberFileObject instance at 0xa25010c>
modified_stamp: 1160072398.0
new_fo: <closed file '//var/cache/yum/core/packages/kdelibs-3.5.4-10.fc6.i386.rpm', mode 'wb' at 0x9d25ad0>
bs: 8192
modified_tuple: (2006, 10, 5, 18, 19, 58, 0, 1, 0, 0)
block:
size: 2167404

u-noneinc-s
30th October 2006, 07:31 AM
That's a lot of errors:/ I wish I knew how to read that stuff. Unfortunately I don't.

samfraser
31st October 2006, 12:38 PM
Ok Mr ComputerTECH! I agree with you to a certain degree. I've been running FEDORA 4 on my PC instead of windows now for about a year. I've yet to come accross an application that I can simply download and works straight away! without having to hassle over it for hours of my valuable time!

If you know of something that works better please advise, maybe I'll stick it on a laptop and have a go.

Saying that I do love the fact that FC4 is so secure and you don't have to pay! for every application.

JN4OldSchool
31st October 2006, 03:23 PM
Ok Mr ComputerTECH! I agree with you to a certain degree. I've been running FEDORA 4 on my PC instead of windows now for about a year. I've yet to come accross an application that I can simply download and works straight away! without having to hassle over it for hours of my valuable time!

If you know of something that works better please advise, maybe I'll stick it on a laptop and have a go.

Saying that I do love the fact that FC4 is so secure and you don't have to pay! for every application.

A whole year and you havent heard of Yum? Come on now, you type "yum install -----" and it's there with all dependancies. How hard is that? Use yumex and you can even window shop in style and see everything that is avaiilable. And this isnt even mentioning kyum, pirut, apt-get rpm or even an rpm install isnt bad if you dont get hit with a million one dependancies and you have most libs already. Even then you can use yum to take care of that. And the few things I have needed to install that werent in the repos were usually fairly straightforward. Like Google Earth. I mean, give me a break. With Windows you are surfing all over the net for the program you want. You dont know who you are downloading from and what other little surprises they are sending you. I have ran into just as many problems with Windows installers as I have with compiling Linux source code. Yum is your one stop shopping center. And everything is free. Yet they still complain....

samfraser
31st October 2006, 03:49 PM
I do use yum but the programs still doesn't doesn't work properly!!! I have to copy this to there and that to here, configure this file and configure that file!! I don't have time for that sh1t!!

For example, I've recently loaded FC4 onto a laptop. I've been trying to get firefox 2 working for hours! Where's firefox 2 in yum? It's not there, just some old version, think it's 1.0.8, which is like 2 years old.

On top if this I can't get my on board wifi working, in windows it's simple, install driver BOOM it's there and it's working!!!!

Yes, yum is a good program but windows is still a million times more user friendly. Why do we have to be some kind of Linux guru just to get something to work?

I'm no one to give up, so I'll soldier on.

bob
31st October 2006, 04:03 PM
Sam, part of the problem is that FC4 is in Legacy status and won't be getting much in the way of updates. If you want Firefox-2.0, you might try the .rpm that Martin.Sourada made available here: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=134143 or simply download from the homepage and run it by extracting and running it from wherever you extracted it.

Sorry, don't know about your wifi - I guess you've already tried the ndiswrapper thread? http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=29659 or tried to use the 'search' box and put in your model number, etc.? Don't use wifi myself, so can't be of direct help on that one.

JN4OldSchool
31st October 2006, 04:44 PM
I do use yum but the programs still doesn't doesn't work properly!!! I have to copy this to there and that to here, configure this file and configure that file!! I don't have time for that sh1t!!

For example, I've recently loaded FC4 onto a laptop. I've been trying to get firefox 2 working for hours! Where's firefox 2 in yum? It's not there, just some old version, think it's 1.0.8, which is like 2 years old.

On top if this I can't get my on board wifi working, in windows it's simple, install driver BOOM it's there and it's working!!!!

Yes, yum is a good program but windows is still a million times more user friendly. Why do we have to be some kind of Linux guru just to get something to work?

I'm no one to give up, so I'll soldier on.

Yeah, you cant have your cake and eat it too. Linux is kinda like a stick shift car. It isnt as easy to drive as Windows, but when you learn how to do it you wont want to go back. I wont bash Windows, it is a fine OS for what it is. Linux has problems too. But how much did you pay for the Linux? This is the bottom line. Is it worth it to you to make things work even if they take a little time and knowledge or is your time too valuable and the price of Windows negligable? You know, use what makes you happy. But keep in mind that things get much easier once you figure them out and do them a while. Stick with it friend, Linux is worth it. :)

USACOMPUTERTEC
31st October 2006, 07:53 PM
what I really want is to be able to run remote assistance applications for people like "assistance pro". I tried installing it and it appears to work in WINE but I don't know if I need to change my firewall settings to recieve requests for help.

First Off:
No one actually answered my question above here. See I need to enable the Windows Remote Access and Assistance ports on my machine so that I can use them over the internet since my remote assistance program is running in WINE correctly. Can someone tell me what ports and how to unblock them?
Second of all:
now I am looking into using an emulator for the 32 bit processor and one for the ppc processor. I want both of them to work with FC6 and I want both of them to allow my OS to work directly with my hardware. See XP will recognize if the hardware is not the same and go nuts asking me to reregister Windows XP and everything. I also want to use my existing NTFS partition and installation. So basicaly I will just be running my XP install in Linux or by itself. As for the Mac ppc INSTALL I don't care if the hardware is emulated. I don't have to register the software. LOL. :) Oh ya is it possible for FC6 and the Windows XP install running in the emulator to access the same hardware at the same time? Or at least could FC6 emulate the same hardware like for instance I have an NVidia Geforce 6100 video card. So can't I make the emulator emulate that exact same video card and my Creative sound card and all that stuff or do I need to allow only Windows to have access to my hardware? I know direct access is possible because I have heard of it before. I also have a TV card.

bob
31st October 2006, 08:41 PM
USA, no real answers for you from me, but please post the same comment/question only on one thread: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=663676#post6636 BTW, have you checked http://www.winehq.com/ to see if there's answers there?

USACOMPUTERTEC
31st October 2006, 08:57 PM
Well I have found as a new user the best way to get help is to go to diffrent rooms related to the same issue and post and wait. I usualy start with one and wait but if no one can help me I move to another thread. Is this propper use of the forum or am I supoes to stop when I hit a dead end.

Dan
31st October 2006, 09:40 PM
Son, are you trying to antagonize people?

USACOMPUTERTEC
31st October 2006, 09:59 PM
lol no
just what does that word antagonize mean anyway is it in the dictionary? Everyone says it from a long time ago but not very often do you hear it. must mean be sarcastic and trying to make someone mad.

Dan
31st October 2006, 10:04 PM
Hmmm. OK. I'll take your word for it. But... This is a good chance to discover one of the nifty joys of Fedora! (Especially for writers.) In Gnome: Click (on upper menu) Applications>Accessories>Dictionary. Either copy and paste, or type the word you want into the dialog box, and hit [Enter]. Presto!

Enjoy.

Dan

bob
31st October 2006, 10:40 PM
USA, please read the Guidelines. You post on ONE thread and wait for a reply - 24 hours is not uncommon at all as most of us have other things to do. If you don't get a response after that, you can't 'bump' your thread, but it wouldn't be bad to mention what you've done since the first post and where else you've looked for information. Might help sort out what will and won't work. It's also a good idea to research similar threads and perhaps shoot a PM to someone who seems to know his stuff but hasn't seen your thread. Maybe ask him if he has any input.

If you haven't already read it - here's a lot of good info on getting your info: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=119761

And, for your last question - antagonize translates to 'p*ss people off!' (and it isn't 'pass'). I thought you were in college? You haven't 'antagonized' me btw - I've had careers where I've had to deal with a lot worse and keep my cool. ;)

USACOMPUTERTEC
31st October 2006, 11:21 PM
Hmmm. OK. I'll take your word for it. But... This is a good chance to discover one of the nifty joys of Fedora! (Especially for writers.) In Gnome: Click (on upper menu) Applications>Accessories>Dictionary. Either copy and paste, or type the word you want into the dialog box, and hit [Enter]. Presto!

Enjoy.

Dan

yes bob the beer man I will stop posting everywhere. and to you tangledWeb after I get my 3d Gnome back up and working http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=663855#post663855 I will check that out if it's installed. although I am worried that no one will help me with that because I was an idiot and screwed it up by mistake when I knew I should have left well enough allone but you know his forum did say how to get XGL working with AIGLX so I assumed it was possible. I even followed the replys to see if there were any errors I needed to fix but it did not help. I don't know what to do. It's like GNOME just stops loading and does not report an error because it does not see anything wrong? usually some kind of utility asks me if I want to reset my Xconf file. Of course if I did that at this point their is not telling what would happen. I know my mouse would disapear but that I can fix. I don't know how to edit a file in text mode uless I can do it with gedit you know if everything should crash. :eek:

bob
31st October 2006, 11:27 PM
USA, hopefully this won't happen to you, but if you end up with a complete crash, gedit won't work since it's graphical. You'll need Nano, Vi or Emacs to edit files. Naturally, not to make things easy, each has a bit different way of handling your inputs so when you have a chance, it would be worthwhile to read up a bit on your choice of text editor. If you choose vi (vim), you can open a terminal and type 'vimtutor' for information.

USACOMPUTERTEC
1st November 2006, 12:43 AM
Ok I got it all fixed. LOL I remembered that when I started out following his misguided step by step directinos for XGL that on my system it uninstalled Compiz lol. I reinstalled it and made a few adjustments. I noticed the su - comand helps a lot to be root in a regular user mode. Cool.

Antagonize
Antagonize \An*tag"o*nize\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Antagonized};
p. pr. & vb. n. {Antagonozing}.] [Gr. ?. See {Antagonism}.]
To contend with; to oppose actively; to counteract.
[1913 Webster]

-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

Antagonize \An*tag"o*nize\, v. i.
To act in opposition.
[1913 Webster]

-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

Thats a nice little program. Actually I am just the opposite when it comes to FC . I want to design my own little version of Fedora that has some things that Fedora Lacks:

Out of the Box:
Stability, functional 3D desktop, 32/64 bit system emulator, PPC emulator, IE 6 for Linux with plugins installed, a video step by step tutorial like Linspire has for it, Awesome sound effects, The ability to have more than 4 desktops in 3D mode. A freespire like interface that supports all the Gnome Stuff. YAY! I already started a prodject for programmers that understand more than I do about programming to begin building it.
Just look here at these locations.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/cellocitylinux

http://sourceforge.net/projects/compatipal

http://sourceforge.net/projects/slicklinux

j-billy
10th November 2006, 03:25 AM
for those whom macromedia.repo file was useless, take a look at this (http://dries.ulyssis.org/rpm/packages/flash-plugin/info.html) site, or just install this fc5 rpm (http://ftp.belnet.be/packages/dries.ulyssis.org/fedora/fc5/i386/RPMS.dries/flash-plugin-7.0.68-1.fc5.rf.i386.rpm)

USACOMPUTERTEC
10th November 2006, 03:49 AM
Since this is my complaint web forum here lol I have another question? I thought BSD ment that it could run MAC programs? So PC BSD and DESKTOP BSD can run Mac Applications?

bob
10th November 2006, 05:14 AM
USA, why not try the PCBSD forum for that question? http://www.pcbsd.org/

crossbone
10th November 2006, 06:13 PM
Ok, I have FC6 on one drive and still fear nukin windowz on the other. I really want to learn this FC6 and i'm completly lost as to how to installing Media players, Adobe Reader, Flash and all the other apps of windowz. Where is the best place to read up and to get started out right? Maybe even LEARN something? FREE sounds great.....I like it......

Dan
10th November 2006, 06:22 PM
Hi crossbone.

OK! Lets start here.

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=12

Then let's go here,

http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html

Then hit this,

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=135568

That should get you started on the reading material.

After that, the search function works great for specifics.

Post again if you need more help.

Dan

USACOMPUTERTEC
10th November 2006, 10:12 PM
As for getting your flash and all that stuff to work I think you can find all that info here because thats where I found it.
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=134052
OR
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=66854
OR
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=111817