up2date / RHN alert icon

[GarySaved]

I realize Fedora is the testing platform for Red Hat's Enterprise edition.
One thing that bothers me more than anything, is to have something on my computer screen that I can not use.
I think either the up2date/AlertIcon should be enabled so it works in Fedora, or removed from the default install. If they want us to test it, they could have it point to a Fedora server so as to not put more load on their RHN servers.

Make it work, or remove it, please!

Gary

[nlkrio]

It works but you don't need it yum is better and faster,and you can remove it if you like as i have!

[GarySaved]

That is exactly my point. The alert icon does NOT work.
up2date works it you run it, but the alert icon never changes.
If the 'OFFICIAL' answer is always 'just use yum', then we should remove the alert icon from the default install, and have yumex, or something that does work, put in its place.
Why have software installed by default if it is not going to work?

Gary

[Christop54]

Originally Posted by GarySaved

The alert icon does NOT work.
up2date works it you run it, but the alert icon never changes.

Works fine for me. When updates are available the icon changes from a blue check mark to a red exclamation point and blinks.

[smfinley]

Go to "Desktop" > "System Settings" > "Add/Remove Applications" and under "X Window System" (details) untick the checkboxes for "rhn-applet" and "up2date-gnome". Then save and close. You may also want to disable the rhnsd service in "Desktop" > "System Settings" > "Server Settings" > "Services". Then (as root) use "yum update" rather than "up2date". (Be sure to import the key. Do a "rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-*/*GPG-KEY*" as root.)

[GarySaved]

I appreciate the instructions, but I know how to do all that.
The point I am trying to make, is that the alert icon should not be there in the first place.
Fedora is advertised as being completly free, but the default install has a system that is for the enterprise version only.

When you release Fedora Core 5, do not have the alert icon, and replace it with yumex, or something that is intended to be for the home users.

Gary

[nlkrio]

YoU are clear,I agree with you!

[OberonKenObi]

Your point is both good and bad GarySaved.
I did not in fact know how to stop the red ! from flashing Thanks smfinley
But, i used to use that to update, it was better (but slow) than nothing, that was until i came here and found out that yum was (ever so slightly) more complex but (infinitly) better. I've not used YumEx.

Is there a reason why the flashy icon thingy (normal user jargon) cannot point to either
Up2Date OR the first time used.
yum (with a warning asking have you updated your repos kinda fing for your nearest mirrors)
With an option "if you dunno which you need" choose Up2Date.

The yum option can offer a link to here (other places, i dunno of?) for example for tutorials or just stick with Up2Date ala Windows mentality, that way RedHat is happy and more tech savy/interested users have an option.
Choice and control is the reason why most peeps change, why make it more confusing for them. Now im not tech savy, but i am interested, and im sure im not Robinson Cruiso.

Just my 2 copper pieces worth.

[GarySaved]

Originally Posted by OberonKenObi

Your point is both good and bad GarySaved.
I did not in fact know how to stop the red ! from flashing Thanks smfinley
But, i used to use that to update, it was better (but slow) than nothing, that was until i came here and found out that yum was (ever so slightly) more complex but (infinitly) better. I've not used YumEx.
Just my 2 copper pieces worth.

Are you trying to say the alert thingy works for you?
I have never seen it flash, and have been told several times it does not work.
If there is something you have done to get it to work, please let me know.

Gary

[OberonKenObi]

Gary, I used to use it from FC2 days and it worked.
Then when ive used FC3 and now FC4 ive used only Yum.
The icon always flashed at startup. out of interest i have clicked it to see if i am missing something that my current mirrors dont have. It always returned stuff that i know i had updated (i thought it uses the yum repos? i dunno) so no it did not "work" but it did offer to DL all the packages (except kernel) for me, but then would stall cause they were actually installed.
So no, i dont do anything different.

I thought that Up2Date used the yum repos, much like yumX, or am i completely incorrect?

[nlkrio]

Up2date downloads from the Red Hat servers not from yum repos, thats why is so slow!

[gurudave]

Originally Posted by smfinley

Go to "Desktop" > "System Settings" > "Add/Remove Applications" and under "X Window System" (details) untick the checkboxes for "rhn-applet" and "up2date-gnome". Then save and close. You may also want to disable the rhnsd service in "Desktop" > "System Settings" > "Server Settings" > "Services". Then (as root) use "yum update" rather than "up2date". (Be sure to import the key. Do a "rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-*/*GPG-KEY*" as root.)

Alternate methods that allow more precise control:
1) As a user with appropriate permissions (e.g. root) edit /usr/share/gnome/default.session to comment out references to rhn-applet-gui. This kills the red ball on the GUI in all sessions, but leaves the services running.
2) As any user, run gnome-session-properties and delete the rhn entry. This creates a local session file (~/.gnome2/session) that applies to this user only. Deleting this file will restore you to the desktop settings in default.session (see above).

The system services (see previous postings) can be enabled/disabled via system-config-services. If RedHat ever supports updates via this mechanism you can easily turn things back on without a re-install...

[leadgolem]

Holy zombie thread batman!

[Dan]

Gadzooks!

You're right, Robin! Let me just terminate this beast with a thread closer from my trusty utility belt!

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There we go!

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