Is it just me, or does this annoy you too?

[v8s10blazer]

You know what im getting sick of seeing on the forums? Things subject NEWBIE NEEDS HELP... IM A NOOB, blah blah blah...

99% of the time i dont even think about helping those people... For some reason it just annoys me... Yah theres a lot of people getting into linux and thats cool and all, but if youre going to come out and say hi im a dumba-- help me! Then ya know, nm lol...

So am i just a grumpy 20 year old or does this bother everyone else too?

[h4d]

It's fine with me....

[bob]

No, it doesn't. Frankly, I think it's helpful to know how much detail you have to give in an answer to a question. If someone mentions that they are a noob or just installed FC, I'm going to include more info on command line instructions and perhaps give a GUI alternative. Better than giving a tip and having the guy come back to you an hour later with 'how do you do that?' - just saves time in the long run.

[owakroeger]

Well.....you could look at it as an opportunity to feel superior to that ignoramus who actually admitted that he/she was new at something. Lord knows, you've never needed help with anything at all. You were born, knowing everything there is to know about everything.

owa

[i1n2d3y4]

I think the whole point of web communities such as fedoraforum is to elp each other, and of course it helps to know if the person I am talking to will even understand what I am on about (so if they do mention they are a newbie, we can potentially tone down the more technical intricate details etc.)

But at the same time, I do understand what you are saying, People have to be ready and willing to help themselves as well. They should not come to fedoraforum and expect to be spoonfed, Most likely people are going to point them in the general direction or give them a few pointers etc.

[hollenjj]

People have to be ready and willing to help themselves as well.

I agree with you i1n2d3y4, people are so used to M$ leading them around by the nose that they forget and fear to use their brains. Instead of experimenting to try and solve a problem, they immediately jump on the boards and expect others to also lead them around by the nose.

I applaud that more and more people are trying Linux, but they also need to break the cycle of mindless computing that M$ has created.

Eh, just my $0.02.

[yanik]

Instead of experimenting to try and solve a problem, they immediately jump on the boards

Yep, and at that precise moment, the board's search engine isn't working and somehow google is down. It's ok to point newbies to search engines for general easy questions. You can even give 'em the search words so they stumb right on it by themself.

[inha]

I think it's usually best to just point someone completely new to the right direction of learning things on their own or experimenting. Anyone can copy/paste your instructions and not learn anything and be completely lost facing a problem that's essentially just a small variation of the issue you helped him to solve.

[dnar]

Everyone is a N00B sometime, at least they are honest.

The only issue I have personally is people posting topics like "I need help" or "Damn this 5Ux0r5" - not even a hint of the problem in the title...

We always have the choice of skipping such threads, so it's no biggy.

[jtang613]

I have nothing against helping the less-experienced user.

But I certainly agree with the OP in that I also find it very irritating when I see posts with the subject: "Need help!" or "Newbie can't install" or "Newbie needs help" or "Help with problem".

These subject lines tell me nothing. Why should I put any effort toward helping someone who doesn't even have enough regard to state the problem in the subject line. The problem isn't that you need help. That part is obvious - otherwise why post in a User Help Forum? The subject line is there to advertise the general issue you will be outlining inside the message.

While I'm ranting, what's wrong with using proper spelling and grammar? I realize there are many here whose native language is not English - and it is usually obvious and forgiven. What is equally obvious is when someone *is* an English-speaker, but simply puts zero effort toward spelling, grammar and punctuation.

m2c,
Jason

[v8s10blazer]

Yah, well i think i came off the wrong way a little bit... I didnt mean theres something wrong with being new or saying i dont know, its just the way they say it annoys me... I mean, im not a linux expert myself but when you refer to yourself as a newbie is what i dont like.

I think its because in my area, a lot of the gamer/computer people use noob too much... They are like, you noob, omg there are noobs at this party blah blah blah... So i guess since i hear it so much, its just kinda wore out ya know?

[jcstille]

I don't like using the terms, but I like it when they say I am new to this, rather than I am a noob or newbie. I don't like that speak. But I will still try and help them.

[KiwiNZ]

The term noob irritates the heckout of me.
I will relate an experience of a friend of mine who visited a well known Windows focused forum site to get some assistance with WinXP SP2 . Now this guy uses his PC purely as a tool to get a job done , thats it , but he needed something fixed.
All the replies he got for what was a reasonable question were insults from members
E.G you stupid noob ..... another noob moron ..... etc etc
This guy has a double Doctorate and is very intelligent . Computers are just a tool to him .
Many forum sites have pushed for and are listed on Software sites like Microsoft as a means of getting help. To treat people like this is so wrong and gives the industry a bad name . Just a little story to give a human perspective

[v8s10blazer]

yah that is EXACTLY why it bothers me... I associate noob with bad stuff..

[pigpen]

well, if it's too "n00b", i leave it to the coalition of the willing....