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The truth about Goobuntu

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The truth about Goobuntu: Google's in-house desktop Ubuntu Linux
http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about...ux-7000003462/
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Old 31st August 2012, 02:05 AM
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That said, Bushnell was asked why Ubuntu instead of say Fedora or openSUSE? He replied, “We chose Debian because packages and apt [Debian's basic software package programs] are light-years ahead of RPM (Red Hat and SUSE's default package management system.]”
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Old 31st August 2012, 02:18 AM
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Not that I needed one, but -

Yet another reason not to use ubuntu.
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Old 31st August 2012, 03:46 AM
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Google uses the LTS versions because the two-years between releases is much more workable than the every six-month cycle of ordinary Ubuntu releases.
This is flat out wrong. Ordinary Ubuntu releases are supported for two years. LTS releases are supported for four or five.

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That said, Bushnell was asked why Ubuntu instead of say Fedora or openSUSE? He replied, “We chose Debian because packages and apt [Debian's basic software package programs] are light-years ahead of RPM (Red Hat and SUSE's default package management system.]”
If it's so far ahead, why does yum choose the best place to get updates from rather than just using one mirror all the time like apt does? Seems to me that apt is the one that's behind. yum also doesn't have the update/upgrade two step process.
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Re: The truth about Goobuntu

there's a number of things APT cannot do that YUM can do, just google them
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Old 31st August 2012, 03:59 AM
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One thing I like about APT over YUM is if you remove an application you can use the "apt-get autoremove" command to delete any unused/unwanted dependencies... Or did I miss something when I was using Fedora?
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doesnt the yum plugins ( remove-with-leaves ) or whatever its called do that also?
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Re: The truth about Goobuntu

As someone whose uses a Debian based distro (siduction) as well as my Fedora installs, I've come to prefer Yum over Apt. There are pluses and minuses with each system.
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As someone whose uses a Debian based distro (siduction) as well as my Fedora installs, I've come to prefer Yum over Apt. There are pluses and minuses with each system.
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Debian 6 (Gnome 2 with backports) great solid distro. Moved to F16 Xfce (with new hardware) - solid and Xfce is growing on me, and after using YUM for awhile, APT feels awkward.

Not sure how APT is light years ahead of YUM
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Re: The truth about Goobuntu

Yum has way too many features compared to apt.
one has to see this site, before commenting on yum, RPM
http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/
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Old 31st August 2012, 05:33 PM
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About apt being lightyears ahead - anything like "yum history" tool in apt?
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Re: The truth about Goobuntu

Hrrm, maybe if you folks read the original quote, which is right here on the thread, you might reconsider.

Light years ahead of RPM

(In post #2)

In which case, you might think, Ah, perhaps they haven't used RH based systems in awhile, and don't know how good yum has gotten.
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Re: The truth about Goobuntu

I am able to do a lot of things much easier with Yum than with Apt.
One thing that Apt is better at is the speed as it works very fast and consistent.
However, when I upgrade a distro with it or just apply a lot of patches at once I feel like it is doing things to the hard disk it shouldn't be doing, I never experienced that with Yum.
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I am a new member on this forum so I don't want to start either a flame war or get any hate mails from you, but, I will say this: I prefer apt over yum for many reasons. But, the simplest of them was the fact that all the downloaded debs are available in one single place: /var/cache/apt. So, basically, if I have to update multiple systems on my "third world" 3G connection, then I could achieve it very simply: rsync the deb files across all my systems.

With yum, I have to create a tar/gz file of the "ENTIRE" /var/cache/yum folder because the RPMS are spread across multiple sub directories and then copy that tgz across to the other system, then, untar/gz that tgz file and ... the mess goes on for ever.

Also, I came back to Fedora after almost 5 years being with Ubuntu. And during the initial few days I had a "yum shock" (like culture shock, etc) because yum just did NOT feel intuitive.

Although we are not discussing the GUI front ends, but, I will say this: Synpatic was a FAR FAR better package-manager GUI as compared to pkgkit or whatever it is called in Fedora. I mean pkgkit is just plain PATHETIC.

As an aside, I was an avid RH user till about 2005. In 2005 a friend "gifted" me an Ubuntu CD. Ubuntu installation felt like going back to Mandrake (anyone even know that system anymoe? ) So, I installed Ubuntu on all of my systems. And I wrote scripts to "make it sane". And it worked fairly well ... but, I always hated their choice of apps and how they "linked their apps together." So, removing/uninstalling app-X required that app-Y and app-Z also be uninstalled. And then, there were stupidities like trying to remove some absolutely inconsequential, random app that you absolutely never use would mandate that you uninstall the whole system. And all that brown and orange was like making me all psychedellic and all.

And then, by 2009 it was starting to get obvious that Ubuntu and I were not meant to be together. Ubuntu wanted to look and feel more like Mac OS X while I craved for raw Linux with X and a useless desktop-manager (say GNOME). Then, by late 2010, it was obvious that Ubuntu and I had to part ways. Ubuntu wanted to load my tiny, puny little laptops with more and more krap: compiz, mutter, clutter, unity, diversity, equality, and god knows what else. So, I figured I would go check what Fedora had to offer. And immediately after "live-booting" Fedora 16, I felt at home, back in the arms of redhat based distro: the first and most obvious thing ... KRAPPY FONTS. It was love at first sight. Within a matter of few hours, personal data spread across 5 systems was backed up and all those systems were reinstalled with F16. Ubuntu was gone from my life before dawn.

On a more serious note, I am using F17 on all my systems because the "default" fedora distro comes with GNOME 3.x. The day Fedora "invents" its own desltop-manager/GUI I will go out hunting for a new distro ... most probably Debian Testing.
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