Arch moving to Systemd

[ElderSnake]

I don't know if anyone here really cares and I don't want to start another Systemd flame war but anyway: https://plus.google.com/u/0/10081492...ts/V9EaP6mP1th and http://mailman.archlinux.org/piperma...st/023389.html

It's an interesting one. I'm an Arch user and I've always appreciated the BSD-like old init system and the single rc.conf configuration etc etc, but I guess these are the standards most distros are working towards.

Allan McRae wrote a good little blog which I feel makes some good points though http://allanmcrae.com/2012/08/are-we...es-arch-linux/

Anyhow, looks like Systemd is something we all shall have to get used to, except Shuttleworth's mob anyway

[stoat]

That doesn't surprise me considering the level of interest in systemd by ordinary users in the Arch Linux forum for a long time. Compared to here, the Arch Linux forum has more threads with "systemd" in the title and more total posts about it. But it's been the default in Fedora since 15 (and very nearly 14), whereas the Archers have been installing it to play with it. Until now, I think systemd sort of violated the famous Arch Way KISS philosophy. I guess that argument could stand up only so long against something like systemd which has sort of been riding on rails from the day the idea was hatched, IMO.

[nonamedotc]

Reading Allan's blog, it seems to me like he was suggesting that Arch's KISS philosophy was overstated. On the other hand, Arch should also have the new "technology" faster ... Whatever the reason, systemd in another distribution would be quite nice!

[Dutchy]

Originally Posted by ElderSnake

Anyhow, looks like Systemd is something we all shall have to get used to, except Shuttleworth's mob anyway

Looks to me that there are lots rooting for it but there are still many that fear the change, which is totally natural and sane to some degree.
From the three big init systems d seems to be the one that is most future proof and it has never gotten in my way since F15 (actually, at first I didn't even know that it had an init system overhaul and just kept using all the old commands).

[ElderSnake]

Yeah I honestly don't mind too much. I actually tried Systemd on Arch not very long ago, as stoat said, many Archers do install it and try it out because it's actually very easy to do and it has backwards compatibility, if that's the right terminology, with the old init scripts and even the rc.conf etc etc.

It will lose that famous BSD style configuration for the most part I suppose, but hey, it will on the other hand be more consistent with most of the other distros.

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Hmm so I actually just converted my Arch desktop to pure Systemd (no more rc.conf, inittab etc).

I never thought switching an init system would be so easy, but I guess there is a lot of work behind the scenes, and symlinks etc, done to make the whole process easier. And of course that Arch wiki is great (which is what I followed to make the change).

So I'm not too sure what all the kerfuffle is about but then I'm not a system admin (except for myself I guess) and probably won't have to debug the thing. But general usage is simple enough.