MATE on F18

[solo2101]

so I came across this the other day...

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MATE-Desktop

so... will there be a MATE spin? like the good old F14?

Originally Posted by solo2101

so I came across this the other day...

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MATE-Desktop

so... will there be a MATE spin? like the good old F14?

It might take a while, the page claims it's 40% complete but in reality it's closer to 15% IMO.

[Adunaic]

Is there much point for MATE? I will admit that I have never used it, but it seems to be a poor mans Xfce and a very poor mans cinnamon.

Originally Posted by Adunaic

Is there much point for MATE? I will admit that I have never used it, but it seems to be a poor mans Xfce and a very poor mans cinnamon.

It gives people the choice, gnome2 is still missed by many.
It's also unfair to compare it with an accelerated DE (gnome-shell/cinnamon).

[Adunaic]

Originally Posted by Yellowman

It gives people the choice, gnome2 is still missed by many.
It's also unfair to compare it with an accelerated DE (gnome-shell/cinnamon).

Thats fine, had not thought of it like that. Also I probably should have said "I don't understand the point of MATE". I ahve nothing against choice I just could not see what it did that those two did not.

[deanej]

As much as I like cinnamon, both it and anything else based on GTK 3 slow down my laptop so I plan to switch to MATE.

[droidhacker]

Originally Posted by Yellowman

It gives people the choice, gnome2 is still missed by many.
It's also unfair to compare it with an accelerated DE (gnome-shell/cinnamon).

But it doesn't actually offer anything.
gnome2 can't be missed, since gnome3 doesn't take away the defining characteristics of gnome2, specifically, it isn't gnome2 vs gnome3 that gets people frustrated, its gnome-shell vs gnome-panel.

gnome3 still has gnome-panel, it is referred to somewhat poorly, as "fallback mode", but it IS gnome-panel with all the features (or lack thereof) that people associate with gnome2.

That is, non-accelerated.
The only real difference is in the COLOR SCHEME. White on black panels instead of black on white.

All of these forks of gnome2 are nothing but PROTEST PROJECTS. People don't like the default gnome-shell configuration, or people don't like change period, so they fork the old cruft in protest. It is really very childish.

mate-desktop should NOT be included in Fedora.
cinnamon is equally a protest project. You don't need to FORK gnome in order to build your own UI over it. Just build your own extension, they should NOT have forked it, they should simply have created the "cinnamon extension" for gnome-shell.

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Originally Posted by deanej

As much as I like cinnamon, both it and anything else based on GTK 3 slow down my laptop so I plan to switch to MATE.

It isn't gtk3, its the compositing (3d) window manager "mutter".

[robert-e]

"All of these forks of gnome2 are nothing but PROTEST PROJECTS. People don't like the default gnome-shell configuration, or people don't like change period, so they fork the old cruft in protest. It is really very childish."

Wow...try telling that to the Mate guys. I suppose the real questions is the old one: should a project ever be forked? I think the answer is: Yes, if there is a perceived need by a large enough group, and that group has the skills and talents to do so. No, if there is a lack of such. To me, it seems that the Mate group is just "doing Linux", in the same way as the Gnome group is "doing Linux". It is all good in the long run, and it is these ideals and attitudes that keeps me having fun with Linux. Perhaps you might want to rethink using the term "childish" in your description?

Regards,
Bob

Originally Posted by droidhacker

But it doesn't actually offer anything.
gnome2 can't be missed, since gnome3 doesn't take away the defining characteristics of gnome2, specifically, it isn't gnome2 vs gnome3 that gets people frustrated, its gnome-shell vs gnome-panel.

gnome3 still has gnome-panel, it is referred to somewhat poorly, as "fallback mode", but it IS gnome-panel with all the features (or lack thereof) that people associate with gnome2.

That is, non-accelerated.
The only real difference is in the COLOR SCHEME. White on black panels instead of black on white.

All of these forks of gnome2 are nothing but PROTEST PROJECTS. People don't like the default gnome-shell configuration, or people don't like change period, so they fork the old cruft in protest. It is really very childish.

mate-desktop should NOT be included in Fedora.
cinnamon is equally a protest project. You don't need to FORK gnome in order to build your own UI over it. Just build your own extension, they should NOT have forked it, they should simply have created the "cinnamon extension" for gnome-shell.

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It isn't gtk3, its the compositing (3d) window manager "mutter".

Why would Clem want to do that again, he tried it and didn't like it.

https://github.com/linuxmint/MGSE

[solo2101]

Originally Posted by droidhacker

very childish.

isnt that what we are in the linux community any way???

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but seriusly... why do we use linux? isn't that the point?

[R3v0lut10nary]

Originally Posted by droidhacker

But it doesn't actually offer anything.
gnome3 still has gnome-panel, it is referred to somewhat poorly, as "fallback mode", but it IS gnome-panel with all the features (or lack thereof) that people associate with gnome2.

That is, non-accelerated.
The only real difference is in the COLOR SCHEME. White on black panels instead of black on white.

False, in my experience. The only way to customize fallback is with that stupid-ass dconf-editor. Even that is pretty limited.

[livelong]

dsinc writes "It's not just Mint: Fedora will also feature Mate in their upcoming release (Fedora 18). According to Fedora's Dan Marshal, "many users have expressed interest in this feature since Fedora 15 in which Fedora was switched from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3.""
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MATE-Desktop

Can't wait for this release

[deanej]

Are you by any chance a Gnome developer droidhacker? You seem to have their attitude.

Originally Posted by droidhacker

But it doesn't actually offer anything.
gnome2 can't be missed, since gnome3 doesn't take away the defining characteristics of gnome2, specifically, it isn't gnome2 vs gnome3 that gets people frustrated, its gnome-shell vs gnome-panel.

gnome3 still has gnome-panel, it is referred to somewhat poorly, as "fallback mode", but it IS gnome-panel with all the features (or lack thereof) that people associate with gnome2.

That is, non-accelerated.
The only real difference is in the COLOR SCHEME. White on black panels instead of black on white.

This is quite false. Fallback mode is quite limited compared to Gnome 2. For one thing, panel applets are gone. A lot of customization is gone. Many of the apps are losing features (such as nautilus). The new gnome lock screen is the stupidest thing ever devised (seriously, you have to drag the mouse across the screen just to get to the password prompt!). And to top it off, it's very UGLY with the Gnome 3 theme.

All of these forks of gnome2 are nothing but PROTEST PROJECTS. People don't like the default gnome-shell configuration, or people don't like change period, so they fork the old cruft in protest. It is really very childish.

mate-desktop should NOT be included in Fedora.
cinnamon is equally a protest project. You don't need to FORK gnome in order to build your own UI over it. Just build your own extension, they should NOT have forked it, they should simply have created the "cinnamon extension" for gnome-shell.

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It isn't gtk3, its the compositing (3d) window manager "mutter".

Cinnamon had to fork a bunch of code because the gnome developers refused to fix some bugs that were preventing some cinnamon features from working properly, and the APIs don't have the needed functions. These change requests were also rejected by the gnome team.

[BBQdave]

Originally Posted by robert-e

"All of these forks of gnome2 are nothing but PROTEST PROJECTS. People don't like the default gnome-shell configuration, or people don't like change period, so they fork the old cruft in protest. It is really very childish."

Wow...try telling that to the Mate guys. I suppose the real questions is the old one: should a project ever be forked? I think the answer is: Yes, if there is a perceived need by a large enough group, and that group has the skills and talents to do so. No, if there is a lack of such. To me, it seems that the Mate group is just "doing Linux", in the same way as the Gnome group is "doing Linux". It is all good in the long run, and it is these ideals and attitudes that keeps me having fun with Linux. Perhaps you might want to rethink using the term "childish" in your description?

+1

And I am grateful for Maya MATE (so are quite a few others)

[kevdora]

Originally Posted by BBQdave

+1

And I am grateful for Maya MATE (so are quite a few others)

me to, I was missing the old look an feel of Fedora, this is welcomed news.