A New Approach to GNOME Application Design - Page 2

jpollard · #16 13th February 2012, 01:22 PM

I think they need a history lesson.

Fullscreen was the default in 1987/88... and it could be set as default per application (well, at least if you used the X resource specification for sizes).

Tiling window managers were implemented within a year because they were more usable. Even those could be a pain - resizing a text based window either reformatted text, or chopped it off leaving a scrollbar to position. (review: Sun XView... which did have a nice OpenLook lookalike toolkit and nice window manager for most things, and you could turn off the tiling... your choice).

They should also look at Motif... similar, but bloated and slow.

The simplest toolkit I have seen for programming has been XView.

All the others have all been a pain, and require a large amount of code to get anything done - or a UI generator program to create the code first (more pain). And each revision of the toolkit meant that the UI generator got changed... and required the UI to be regenerated... And that resulted in different configuration requirements for the application.

More bloat, more wasted time, no gain.

And Gnome seems to be going the path than Motif took.

bonedome · #17 13th February 2012, 01:23 PM

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Wasted screen space for the new 'modern design'

http://www.osnews.com/img/25605/musi...m-playback.png

spot on, I would never have a music player maximized like that, I want it small in the background playing music, if I want to change the track or something I just raise it, while it's raised I can still see/use any other window and then raise or maximize it as and when I wish.
I find it incredible the gnome devs (after the beating gnome 3's had) are still telling you "this is what you want and you will like it"
Thank gawd for fluxbox that's all I can say

Pitfall · #18 13th February 2012, 01:56 PM

I really like the ideas that the gnome-devs have. The only problem I have with it, is that they have to find the right balance between beauty and speed. I need the tabs in my web browser, because I cannot alt-tab between them.

Hiding the menu items is a good thing. You do not need them alot. I actually never use them, only on the first time to set my preferences. They take up space so it is a good decision. Same goes for the close button. Give the haters an option display the old-style menu items and everyone is happy.

It is a good approach for a DE that works with both touch navigation and keyboard/mouse navigation.

#19 13th February 2012, 11:19 PM

i have to agree, some of the Apps waste screen space

MorphingDragon · #20 15th February 2012, 12:51 AM

If the GNOME dev team was my employee I would probably fire them.

#21 15th February 2012, 01:24 AM

from wht i hear, More an more people are leavin g Gnome for XFCE or other DE WM's

{ OT } WM-0.95.2 is now final http://windowmaker.org/

***DBelton*** · #22 15th February 2012, 01:37 AM

I have tried and tried to get used to Gnome 3 and it's new way of doing things (since the F15 alpha), but just can't get it configured to where I am productive using it.

I have used Gnome since 98, and it's really a shame when I can grab a desktop environment that I have never used before and be more productive in 5 minutes than I can with Gnome after using it for 13 years or so.

Oh well, that's progress...

But if they do put the maximize on startup in without a way to disable it, that would just be the last straw in a long list of complaints and be enough for me to totally delete Gnome off of my systems here.

Most apps would be a complete waste of space, especially if maximized. There is no way I could read a article or view a webpage at 1680x1050. That is just too wide for comfortable reading.

And no, turning my monitor portrait is not an option.

#23 15th February 2012, 01:52 AM

im sure Gnome Devs will get a lot of complaints. question is, will they listen?

***DBelton*** · #24 15th February 2012, 04:18 AM

They will probably listen as well as they have on previous complaints. In other words.. No they won't listen.

#25 15th February 2012, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DBelton

They will probably listen as well as they have on previous complaints. In other words.. No they won't listen.

im inclined to agree, they'll start to listen when there is no more Gnome DE

jpollard · #26 15th February 2012, 11:43 AM

They might start to listen when Red Hat forces them to listen...

Either by firing or reassigning.

They are talented, but I think the team dynamics is now misguided, and possibly to the point of collapse.

MorphingDragon · #27 15th February 2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jpollard

They might start to listen when Red Hat forces them to listen...

Either by firing or reassigning.

They are talented, but I think the team dynamics is now misguided, and possibly to the point of collapse.

I am going to write a template letter to send to the RedHat CEO and the Fedora project leader, I'll post it on the forums when I get it done.

Wayne · #28 16th February 2012, 03:23 AM

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Why Isn't GNOME Listening?

http://www.datamation.com/open-sourc...stening-1.html

stevea · #29 16th February 2012, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DBelton

I have tried and tried to get used to Gnome 3 and it's new way of doing things (since the F15 alpha), but just can't get it configured to where I am productive using it.

I have used Gnome since 98, and it's really a shame when I can grab a desktop environment that I have never used before and be more productive in 5 minutes than I can with Gnome after using it for 13 years or so.

Oh well, that's progress...

But if they do put the maximize on startup in without a way to disable it, that would just be the last straw in a long list of complaints and be enough for me to totally delete Gnome off of my systems here.

Most apps would be a complete waste of space, especially if maximized. There is no way I could read a article or view a webpage at 1680x1050. That is just too wide for comfortable reading.

And no, turning my monitor portrait is not an option.

I feel your pain. I've tried to play pretty hard with G3, and if you enable desktop icons and set fallback mode to get rid of the hot-corner and gain back the cascading menus and install the modest list of available extensions - then it is only modestly inferior to G3, mostly in the sense of missing panel applets and limited configurability. Still this approach of partly removing new features in favor of old is a losing battle. There is every chance the fallback mode or desktop icon approach will be removed in some future release.

Maximized win's looks like yet another work-inhibiting feature.

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Originally Posted by tox

im sure Gnome Devs will get a lot of complaints. question is, will they listen?

Why would they start now ?

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Originally Posted by Wayne

http://www.datamation.com/open-sourc...stening-1.html

Do gnomes have ears ?

David Batson · #30 16th February 2012, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne

http://www.datamation.com/open-sourc...stening-1.html

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Originally Posted by Datamation

Before Windows 95, users wanted the ability to display more than one window at a time. Now, however, Day suggests that "displaying multiple windows at the same time means that screen space isn't used efficiently, and it means that you don't get a focused view of what you are interested in." Seventeen years of interface development, and it turns out that DOS and Windows 3.1 had the right idea after all?