Is anyone actually enjoying Gnome3? - Page 5

JohnVV · #61 3rd June 2012, 09:33 PM

it dose LOOK nice
but as it is now i 100% removed gnome3 and am using KDE
even moving gtk programs over to qt
i WAS a Gnome "fanboy" but not now .

in a few YEARS i will relook at it , who knows ........

rich1974 · #62 7th June 2012, 11:52 AM

i simply love gnome 3....in my opinion, gnome 3, together with some shell-extentions, is the greatest desktop enviroment throughtout entire OS ecosystem.

joncr · #63 7th June 2012, 05:17 PM

I'm checking out KDE after using Gnome 3. I think they provide equivalent functionality. KDE is more polished than Gnome, as it should be. Why? Because Linux developers have to release code early, long before it is really ready for release, just so people test it. This happened with the early KDE 4 releases and with the early Gnome 3 releases. The KDE team said as much. The Gnome team should have. Bad PR and poor expectations setting on their part.

I think most of the complaints about Gnome 3 coming from Gnome 2 users (are there any sources of complaint?) are down to long experience with Gnome 2, coupled with a habit of doing more tweaking than a typical mainstream user does.

Long use of an tool means it becomes familiar and "intuituve". Quotes around that word because no OS and no OS interface can be intuitive. We have to learn them all. Gnome 2 users know that interface thoroughly and they don't know Gnome 3. Hence, they argue that one is intuitive and the other isn't. The truth is that neither is intuitive. (Even using a keyboard is learned behavior. If it's learned, it's not intuitive.)

I like Gnome 3's design and aesthetic sensibility. KDE less so. It follows a tried and true, conventional and mundane approach. (It is, tho, looking more like adults designed it, not someone who thinks dragon images class up an interface.)

Gnome needs to keep iterating and polishing. When the design stabilizes enough, I'd like to see them put in a master switch to unlock traditional configurability. LOck it by default.

kevdora · #64 7th June 2012, 06:14 PM

no, I've tried, and I dont like it . This tablet Os , one size fits every device mentality that seems to be all the rage with gnome3, unity and win 8 is not for me. A basic hierarchy layout is alot easier to use with a touchpad mouse. Freshness only goes so far. Until I get a tablet or Gnome3 loses their rigidity I wont be using it.

sea · #65 7th June 2012, 06:25 PM

Now after a few weeks of cinnamon, rarly used it anway, i tend towards reusing Gnome3.
Why?
Because the time i had G3 running, i could easy do VM's, browsing, encoding, script all at once without freezes.
Cant do so with Cinnamon, as it either crashes my VM's (every 10-15min), my browser (every 3-5mins), my encoder (after 3-4 of 5 hrs). The only thing that ran smoothly, were my scripts which are aimed for terminal/console usage..

Gnome 3 does look nice.
And after a bit of tweaking its very good.
As i joined linux on the day G3 was released with F15 Lovelock, i was a 'fanboy' for its iphone looking UI.
Have to admit, that part hasnt changed, allthough i'm running LXDE usualy.

joncr · #66 7th June 2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sea

As i joined linux on the day G3 was released with F15 Lovelock, i was a 'fanboy' for its iphone looking UI.

People keep saying that. I don't get it. I have an iPhone and Gnome 3. They don't look at all alike to me, and they certainly don't work alike. The only similarity I see is that Gnome 3 splashes big icons in the Overview.

JohnVV · #67 7th June 2012, 09:55 PM

my one and unsolvable issue was
EVERY time i opend a terminal and used " su " or " su -"
the format for the time and date would change
the Wed,4:20PM EST would change to 20:20 UT

12 hr and dat and date to 24 hr and NO day of the week

even though my normal user was set EXACTLY the same a the root account

AND the second issue

the folder settings would ALSO change whenever i used " su " or " su -"
and NOT change to the settings in the root account ( they were identical to the normal user)

that was INTOLERABLE
having to logout EVERY TIME that i became root

joncr · #68 7th June 2012, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnVV

my one and unsolvable issue was
EVERY time i opend a terminal and used " su " or " su -"
the format for the time and date would change
the Wed,4:20PM EST would change to 20:20 UT

12 hr and dat and date to 24 hr and NO day of the week

even though my normal user was set EXACTLY the same a the root account

AND the second issue

the folder settings would ALSO change whenever i used " su " or " su -"
and NOT change to the settings in the root account ( they were identical to the normal user)

that was INTOLERABLE
having to logout EVERY TIME that i became root

That sounds more like a shell problem than a Gnome issue.

If you're talking about the time and date display typically shown by the shell prompt, that's configurable by user. Unless you had set your account and the root account to use identical prompts, they would differ.

I'm not clear on why you had to relogin.

JohnVV · #69 7th June 2012, 10:56 PM

no it was the GUI desktop for gnome 3
i had to reinstall without gnome in the equation. KDE is on the box now
and using KDM

so by-by gnome 3 i will look you up is a few years
the divorce is final

***DBelton*** · #70 8th June 2012, 03:54 AM

Yes, that has been a bug since about a month after F16 was released. (It is the time/date display in the Gnome 3 bar at the top of the screen)

You open a terminal window, su to root, then open gedit or nautilus and it changes the time display (this only appears after you set it to have nautilus handle the desktop, then it stays even if you set it back). Bug was filed then, but so for (as with numerous other Gnome bugs) no response at all from the developers.

I too have switched to using KDM and switch up using KDE or xfce now. I pretty much have give up on Gnome 3.

joncr · #71 8th June 2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DBelton

Yes, that has been a bug since about a month after F16 was released. (It is the time/date display in the Gnome 3 bar at the top of the screen)

Hmm, I think I noticed that once, but didn't make any connections. Yes, bugs should be fixed. A project like Gnome needs to both fix bugs and refine and add to its product as it goes forward. If it concentrates on fixing bugs and does a release that adds no features, it risks being perceived as not intending to move ahead. Of course, it's the opposite perception if they move forward without attending to long-standing bugs. (I like KDE's once-a-month point releases, which gives it room to maneuver.)

I don't know enough about Gnome's governance to understand how these decisions are made. How is a package deemed ready for inclusion in a release? How is a release decision made? I've always wondered how such open source project can actually enforce decisions. If X needs 10 bugs fixed, but X's developers don't want to, or can't, focus on them, what happens? It's not like you can fire them and hire replacements?

rich52 · #72 8th June 2012, 12:40 PM

I'm using Fedora F17 KDE. I won't give Gnome any thing more than a quick look now and then. It is installed on a laptop with minimal graphics capability. That's where it is best IMHO. For a Desktop it offers me nothing that I can do that KDE will do better. KDE is my desktop of preference. Gnome 3 just doesn't offer the functionality that Gnome 2 offered.

Rich

satanselbow · #73 8th June 2012, 01:37 PM

Reading through this thread you could throw the very same arguments for/against and provide valid, justifiable reasoning for ANY of the wide and varied choice of de/wm at your disposal... thank dog Linux ain't a democracy

jpollard · #74 8th June 2012, 04:00 PM

Not quite. Most of the preceeding desktops didn't try to do everything. They tended to follow the KISS principal. do something, and do it well.

Once that got done, people started throwing the kitchen sink in, but didn't pay attention to keeping it simple or doing it well, hence gnome 3 and KDE 4.0.

KDE has come a long way since, but still hasn't quite recovered. Gnome might never recover as everytime they "fix" something they seem to break a lot of other things at the same time.

bigflopper2 · #75 8th June 2012, 04:10 PM

Let's be honest, Fedora would be used more often if G3 would not be the standard desktop. We do not do ourselves a favour in just focusing on G3 as main DE. There're obv tons of other DEs available, but the highly regarded DE cinnamon - in relation to G3 - is somewhat hard to install for a newbie on F17, which is a shame.

Actually it's funny how "far" users go to make G3 likeable, using G3 has become to some kind of "modify the interface with extensions" competition.

Xfce and LXDE ftw.

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Originally Posted by jpollard

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KDE has come a long way since, but still hasn't quite recovered. Gnome might never recover as everytime they "fix" something they seem to break a lot of other things at the same time.[

that's the point, trying to tell them first to fix the bugs just leads to comments like: "well, that's not the right time to discuss" or "that's not the right place to discuss"...do the gnome-devs really know what they're doing? I doubt that.

G3 btw IS bugware.