This is gettin' a little old ... again.

[Dan]

Once again ... Last night's updates killed user theme choices. -- Again. <....>

Once in a while ... fedora can get just a little exasperating. <....>

The culprit seems to be: gnome-shell-extension-user-theme-3.2.0.2.fc16 > gnome-shell-extension-user-theme-3.2.1.1.fc16

[jpollard]

Yup. Even minor patches can break gnome3... and in such spectacular ways.

this is one of the problems with using an interpreter without a solid foundation definition. I have seen this with embedded scheme (a LISP dialect) and embedded perl. When the supporting application gets modified, the extensions must also be modified as what they depend on is no longer valid.

[rclark]

Yeah, know the feeling.... I am usually pretty up beat about Fedora... But I now am running LXDE (It is growing on me) because of crashing problems everywhere in the KDE (don't use gnome if I can help it). Back getting Sig 11 faults in Firefox and Thunderbird again (Just started on Sunday morning). Applications still run but it triggers abrt and all its 'baggage' every time. And then flash stopped working out the blue when the sig 11s reappeared. Well, some updates did come in on Saturday... It is getting just a wee bit 'frustrating' as I was thinking I finally had a 'everything works' system!

kinda why im staying away from F16, it seems like a headache

[ZantiOSX]

Originally Posted by Dan

Once again ... Last night's updates killed user theme choices. -- Again. <....>

Once in a while ... fedora can get just a little exasperating. <....>

The culprit seems to be: gnome-shell-extension-user-theme-3.2.0.2.fc16 > gnome-shell-extension-user-theme-3.2.1.1.fc16

I get that same /!\ where the shell extentions go. But I get it right from the start, with the default theme,
nothing else added except gnome-tweak-tool.

ZantiOSX

[Dan]

Seems to me that the underlying problem is not so much F16 (which seems to work well in the lighter desktops) but rather in the iconic and venerable Charley Foxtrot that is Gnome 3. <....>

[Mariusz W]

Originally Posted by jpollard

Yup. Even minor patches can break gnome3... and in such spectacular ways.

To be precise: minor changes to GNOME3 can break gnome-extensions. This is to be expected. A user of such extension will be always at the mercy of how quickly the maintainers of the extensions react to changes introduced in GNOME.

The same situation occurs everywhere in software development (whether open or closed): if there is no integration of 'add-ons' into development of the main program, updates to the latter -- no matter how small -- will have tendency to break the 'add-ons'.

Re. GNOME, the only thing I can envision that could spare the frustration of people who use gnome-extensions, would be for Fedora GNOME packagers to wait with releasing updates to GNOME until they are tested to work against the most recent versions of gnome-extensions.

How likely is this to happen?

Another 'solution', if one can call it a solution -- is, for a user of gnome-extensions, to restrain from updating GNOME as soon as they are released, and wait until the gnome-extensions get updated too.

[Dan]

Been waiting to update that particular mess for several days. Just how long do you figure is enough?

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[Dan]

And come to think of it ... just how long should we be content whilst Gnome 3 remains in this semi-busted beta-state? Until they finally figure out how to get it (reasonably) stable?

And ... just who is, "they?"

And would it help if I wrung my hat into a rumpled wad and whimpered a little whilst filing the flippin' boog repoorts?

And howz come it's considered reasonable to break one part of the extension chain in order to create a workaround for another?

And while I'm on a roll here, howz come a guy can't get a decent plate of green chili Huevos Rancheros in northeastern Texas?!


C'mon!


Cripes, people! Some things are important!




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[fibster]

Originally Posted by Mariusz W

To be precise: minor changes to GNOME3 can break gnome-extensions. This is to be expected. A user of such extension will be always at the mercy of how quickly the maintainers of the extensions react to changes introduced in GNOME.

The same situation occurs everywhere in software development (whether open or closed): if there is no integration of 'add-ons' into development of the main program, updates to the latter -- no matter how small -- will have tendency to break the 'add-ons'.

Re. GNOME, the only thing I can envision that could spare the frustration of people who use gnome-extensions, would be for Fedora GNOME packagers to wait with releasing updates to GNOME until they are tested to work against the most recent versions of gnome-extensions.

How likely is this to happen?

Another 'solution', if one can call it a solution -- is, for a user of gnome-extensions, to restrain from updating GNOME as soon as they are released, and wait until the gnome-extensions get updated too.

Well said, gnome is better breakdown and fault wise than the kde 4 series by a long shot, I run vanilla gnome without the extensions and no updates gave me problems.

Originally Posted by Dan

And come to think of it ... just how long should we be content whilst Gnome 3 remains in this semi-busted beta-state? Until they finally figure out how to get it (reasonably) stable?

And ... just who is, "they?"

And would it help if I wrung my hat into a rumpled wad and whimpered a little whilst filing the flippin' boog repoorts?

And howz come it's considered reasonable to break one part of the extension chain in order to create a workaround for another?

And while I'm on a roll here, howz come a guy can't get a decent plate of green chili Huevos Rancheros in northeastern Texas?!


C'mon!


Cripes, people! Some things are important!




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my guess they'll have Gnome3 stable at the point of when there putting Gnome3.10 together

[Dan]

That doesn't fix the green chili problem. <....>

Originally Posted by Dan

That doesn't fix the green chili problem. <....>

ask leigh for a late note, when ya need him he aint here

[Evil_Bert]

Isn't it about time that "they" published a stable API for extensions so that Gnome updates don't break them?

I'm just sayin' ...

[DBelton]

I'm getting that same issue with the theme selection here as well.

Looking Glass shows that the user them extension is indeed loaded, and the theme I had selected already gets loaded, but I can't change it to another one. If I disable the user theme extension, then my theme goes back to Adwaita