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Old 21st November 2011, 01:35 AM
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Improve Fedora's font rendering?

Fedora's current font rendering looks pretty ugly I must say. Is it possible to improve the font rendering so that it looks like Ubuntu's?
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Old 21st November 2011, 04:03 AM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

I too am pretty unhappy about Fedora's font rendering. It seems as though every time I find a fix someplace that makes it look a little better, then something gets updated and it's back to the same crappy looking fonts.
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Old 21st November 2011, 06:22 AM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

You can install the infinality packages: freetype-infinality infinality-settings

See the section labeled "Fedora Users":

http://www.infinality.net/blog/infin...etype-patches/
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Old 21st November 2011, 06:43 AM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

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I too am pretty unhappy about Fedora's font rendering. It seems as though every time I find a fix someplace that makes it look a little better, then something gets updated and it's back to the same crappy looking fonts.
You probably remember several threads and numerous posts devoted to the topic of ugly font rendering after these (wrongheaded, in my opinion) changes to the font rendering mechanism were first introduced in Fedora 15. You can easily locate them by searching for "fonts" and "ugly". I have little reason to believe the credibility of such reports: it suffices to spend two afternoons going through all the "themes" for various desktop environmenets, created and proudly presented by Linux users, to discover that 99.9% are plain ugly.
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Old 21st November 2011, 08:34 PM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

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You can install the infinality packages: freetype-infinality infinality-settings

See the section labeled "Fedora Users":

http://www.infinality.net/blog/infin...etype-patches/
I copied and pasted the command that it gave into terminal, but it said that I'm not in the sudoers file and that it'll be reported.
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Old 21st November 2011, 08:38 PM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

you can run it using

su -c instead of sudo, or just sign into a root shell and run all the commands without sudo

Code:
su -
(root password)

rpm -Uvh http://www.infinality.net/fedora/linux/infinality-repo-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

yum install freetype-infinality infinality-settings
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Old 21st November 2011, 09:00 PM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

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you can run it using

su -c instead of sudo, or just sign into a root shell and run all the commands without sudo

Code:
su -
(root password)

rpm -Uvh http://www.infinality.net/fedora/linux/infinality-repo-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

yum install freetype-infinality infinality-settings
That worked great, and holy cow, my fonts look so much better.
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Old 21st November 2011, 11:20 PM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

good lord, that package sure hacks the hell out of freetype. freetype-entire-infinality-patchset-20111117-1.patch is huuuuuge. i wonder if he's ever submitted that stuff upstream.
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Old 21st November 2011, 11:58 PM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

I installed the infinality patches on one of my machines here that I had played around with and gotten most of my fonts looking halfway decent (except for Firefox), but after installing the infinality patches, it looks decent for some things, but Firefox is even worse
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Old 22nd November 2011, 12:03 AM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

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good lord, that package sure hacks the hell out of freetype. freetype-entire-infinality-patchset-20111117-1.patch is huuuuuge. i wonder if he's ever submitted that stuff upstream.
The subpixel hinting patch will be in Freetype soon. The extra enhancements won't be, yet anyway, because they are somewhat hacky.

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I installed the infinality patches on one of my machines here that I had played around with and gotten most of my fonts looking halfway decent (except for Firefox), but after installing the infinality patches, it looks decent for some things, but Firefox is even worse
Try lowering the alignment and fitting settings in /etc/profile.d/infinality-settings.sh, or use one of the examples and set it to NUDGE or CLASSIC... those ones do less/no snapping, which is what some people aren't liking.
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Old 22nd November 2011, 12:20 AM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

Thanks Infinality

I started out trying the examples down close to the end, and the CLASSIC one seemed to clear up the Firefox fonts some.

Now I have lots more settings to play around with and get screwed up

It is looking better though, so hopefully I will have it looking good without totally hosing my system

But, it does appear to me that if it takes this much hacking just to get freetype to decently render the fonts, then something major is wrong with freetype.
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Old 22nd November 2011, 12:41 AM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

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But, it does appear to me that if it takes this much hacking just to get freetype to decently render the fonts, then something major is wrong with freetype.
As far as it relates to Windows fonts, it's not Freetype's fault. The fonts were encoded with instructions to make them render in B/W pixels, not AA. In other words, the fonts were hacked to death by MS, so to make them look nice, we have to hack the TT renderer in Freetype to death.

If you use default slight hinting and the default LCD filter with Freetype (Fedora disables this I think, for reasons I don't know), you really do get a nice result. It's just that most people expect Arial to render a certain way.... Freetype's render of it is a "different" nice result.
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Old 22nd November 2011, 01:08 AM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

infinality has always worked good in my fedora.I have a WSXGA+ panel and it fits great.

google chrome font rendering is not as good as firefox and its the only gripe for me.

keep up the good work infinality.
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Old 22nd November 2011, 02:33 AM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

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infinality has always worked good in my fedora.I have a WSXGA+ panel and it fits great.

google chrome font rendering is not as good as firefox and its the only gripe for me.

keep up the good work infinality.
Thanks! Your Chrome issue might be related to this:
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/is...etail?id=96926

If so, that's Chrome's fault.
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Old 22nd November 2011, 07:11 AM
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Re: Improve Fedora's font rendering?

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Thanks! Your Chrome issue might be related to this:
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/is...etail?id=96926

If so, that's Chrome's fault.
Thanks for the link. I was wondering where to find some answers on chrome fonts.

The rest of my font rendering in fedora16 is very good.
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