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    F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    As of tomorrow's rawhide [1], gnome-session will no longer treat
    llvmpipe as an unsupported driver. This means gnome-shell will run even
    on hardware without a native 3D driver, including virt guests.

    There are probably bugs! I've done some quick tests on the hardware I
    have handy and in kvm, and things do appear to work. You, lucky
    contestant, might have a different experience. If you do, bugzilla is
    standing by and ready to take your call; please file against the 'mesa'
    component and set me as the assignee. In the meantime you can still get
    to fallback mode through the Graphics section of the System Info control
    panel.

    Very little performance work has been done on this yet - like,
    literally, none - though there are some things you can do [2]. Outside
    of virt you will probably want to tell your driver to use ShadowFB in
    xorg.conf. This will disable hardware acceleration, but in exchange you
    won't be doing very slow GetImages all the time to get textures loaded
    into the compositor. In virt, however, the double-buffering done by
    ShadowFB just slows you down, so you're probably best off switching your
    driver to NoAccel instead.

    The vesa driver should get this right for you already, as should cirrus
    under virt.

    Beyond that, most of the performance work is going to require new kernel
    and Mesa features. For details, please see:
    Read More from Adam Jackson here Make gnome-shell work with software-rendering on most hardware http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Featur...ware_rendering
    Last edited by tox; 14th January 2012 at 11:27 PM.

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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    not sure if i understand, to make it clear: does it mean gnome shell 3.4 will run on older hardware without 3D graphics card? compareable to canonical's unity 2d?

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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    sounds like they are pulling off a Beefy Miracle

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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    Thrilled.....................

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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    If it really means what I think it means, it will be a great thing for Gnome-Shell.
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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    i think its basically gonna be a 2D shell, there will be 3D one also

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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    Quote Originally Posted by detox
    i think its basically gonna be a 2D shell, there will be 3D one also
    No, it's the same "3D" shell, it's just using a rather fast software renderer.

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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    looks like i really need to get this F17 ... run my old notebook in fallback now ... where to download?

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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    I bought replacements with working 3D, so it came a little bit late for me. But a great news anyway. But I don't understand why they didn't do it from the start.

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    Question Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    Quote Originally Posted by zaitcev
    I bought replacements with working 3D, so it came a little bit late for me. But a great news anyway. But I don't understand why they didn't do it from the start.
    I am curious too... why this was not part of G3 to begin with? Unless fallback mode was to bridge the gap until software acceleration was developed; though I am still confused as to whether there will be a performance hit on older hardware running the graphic software acceleration for G3?

    So you may end up still getting newer hardware for a good G3 experience.
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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    i dont think there will be a poor performance hit, if anything there will be a Gain

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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    I think it will depend on how many cores you have. With two, one can process the graphics. With one, things might be a bit slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpollard
    I think it will depend on how many cores you have. With two, one can process the graphics. With one, things might be a bit slow.
    a lot of people nowadays have a Dual-core. i dont know anyone that has a single core

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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    Yeah, you do. One of my workhorse laptops is an older 32 bit Centrino single core. It may have a few years on it, but it still works, so it gets used. In fact, it's running F15 very well right now. The 64 bit AMD dual core Fukushima Special is the one that gives me trouble.

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    Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    Yeah, you do. One of my workhorse laptops is an older 32 bit Centrino single core. It may have a few years on it, but it still works, so it gets used. In fact, it's running F15 very well right now. The 64 bit AMD dual core Fukushima Special is the one that gives me trouble.
    i do now. the one from Fukushima isnt about to blow a reactor or 2 is it?

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