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Old 29th October 2011, 04:34 PM
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No Enable/Disable for the Services App

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Yum installed the system config* to get the Services GUI App.
I can start and stop the Services but the Enable/Disable buttons are greyed out. I expect it is because Root did not call it. Is there a way to call the GUI App as Su from a command line? Gnome 2 menus allowed me to get to it and have full control.
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Old 29th October 2011, 07:56 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

The command is;
serviceconf


But this shouldn't be necessary, as I can do it from the GUI... (& I don't need SU, either way, to run - if I go to change anything, it will ask for the password) So, it won't surprise me if this doesn't really "help". (& sorry, I don't have a clue beyond this, to be able to help)
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Old 29th October 2011, 10:47 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

Thanks Chilly Willy for the reply and info. I used serviceconf as su - and got the same greyed out Enable/Disable. I can stop and start sendmail but not disable/enable it. Earlier versions of Fedora did not work this way. I just noticed that Stop gives an Icon like the Disable. It looks like the plug is pulled. Sendmail was stopped when I booted this time as I left it when I shut down the last time. It may have been changed to make stop also disable it.
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Old 29th October 2011, 10:56 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

Fedora 15 started using systemd to control the services instead of sysvinit. For awhile there were big issues with the system-config-services program, and not sure that all of them have been fixed or not.

as far as a gui to enable/disable services, I believe that systemadm (installed by installing systemd-gtk) is supposed to be the replacement, but it's not really completed. I think it allows starting/stopping, but not really enable/disable.

What I have found the easiest way to enable/disable services is to bring up the gui (If I wish to see what is enabled and running) then open a teminal window and su - to root... Then I just use the command line to enable/disable the services. (systemctl enable whatever.service systemctl disable whatever.service)
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Old 29th October 2011, 11:14 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

SHOOT, I keep forgetting that all that changed with F15 (I'm still using F14) - sorry if this caused any problems...
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Old 30th October 2011, 12:30 AM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

well, they introduced systemd, BUT, the previous methods were supposed to remain working. So your advice should still work for F15. If it didn't then there is a bug still in the serviceconf application. They may have disabled the ability to enable/disable services rather than fix the bugs.

I also get the same behaviour with the systemconf application running in F16, so I don' think it's anything he is doing wrong that is causing the problem, but rather a problem with systemconf.
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Old 30th October 2011, 01:14 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

Thank you Dbelton for the explanation. I tried your suggestion and got:

[root@linux ~]# systemctl disable sendmail.service
sendmail.service is not a native service, redirecting to /sbin/chkconfig.

Executing /sbin/chkconfig --del sendmail and got:
no response. services shows it still just off. I rebooted and now services will not turn it off.
I will stand by and await further instructions.
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Old 30th October 2011, 01:32 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

Switch to root and these should work.
PHP Code:
systemctl stop sendmail.service
systemctl disable sendmail
.service
systemctl status sendmail
.service 
or
PHP Code:
service sendmail stop
chkconfig sendmail off
service sendmail status 
Meh. I'm using Fedora 16 at the moment. That stuff was a pain under Fedora 15.
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Old 30th October 2011, 01:37 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

root@linux ~]# systemctl disable sendmail.service
sendmail.service is not a native service, redirecting to /sbin/chkconfig.
Executing /sbin/chkconfig sendmail off

When I reboot it is back again.
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Old 30th October 2011, 03:50 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

What tells you that it is back again?
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Old 30th October 2011, 04:43 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

Well that reboot it is still off. I am checking the state with the Services App. Also Evolution mail checks are slower.
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Old 30th October 2011, 05:00 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

Don't understand. Are you saying that it is still off after a reboot?
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Old 30th October 2011, 05:28 PM
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Re: No Enable/Disable for the Services App

Yes after the last reboot it is still off. I think the last command was:

systemctl disable sendmail.service which gave:

sendmail.service is not a native service, redirecting to /sbin/chkconfig.
Executing /sbin/chkconfig sendmail off.

It looks like that cured my problem. Evolution is much faster responding to a mail check. I have a stand alone box with Evolution handling the email.
Thanks to all for the help.
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