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Old 8th June 2011, 02:06 PM
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Exclamation F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

So, I logged into my laptop this morning and tried to run a VirtualBox VM and it barked that I had not setup the kernel module yet. I found this odd since I was running it fine yesterday... so I was poking around my system and noticed that there was a yum update yesterday


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Jun 07 14:03:21 Updated: 1:gdm-3.0.4-1.fc15.x86_64
Jun 07 14:03:22 Updated: 1:gdm-plugin-fingerprint-3.0.4-1.fc15.x86_64
Jun 07 14:03:35 Installed: kernel-debug-devel-2.6.38.7-30.fc15.x86_64
Jun 07 14:03:37 Updated: kernel-headers-2.6.38.7-30.fc15.x86_64
Jun 07 14:04:24 Installed: kernel-devel-2.6.38.7-30.fc15.x86_64
Jun 07 14:04:26 Updated: perf-2.6.38.7-30.fc15.x86_64
Jun 07 14:04:43 Installed: kernel-2.6.38.7-30.fc15.x86_64

Now, I don't remember doing this update at all ,... so I checked out the yum history and it was a system level update

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[root@raykj log]# yum history list
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
ID     | Login user               | Date and time    | Action(s)      | Altered
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   173 | System <unset>           | 2011-06-07 14:02 | I, U           |    7
Which, for me, begs the question how... now, the kernel was updated which is pretty major -- so I think I should have the option of either updating, or not updating.

Does anyone know if maybe I'm just too novice at gnome3 (gnome shell) to un-check auto updates? I brought up PackageKit and I have like 20 new updates.. so it didn't update everything

Does Fedora 15 (F15) do automatic updates on some packages without user knowledge?
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Old 9th June 2011, 12:42 AM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

Hi,

You can set the frequency of updates and what updates you want installed automatically from Other - Software Updates.
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Old 9th June 2011, 12:49 AM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

Make sure the service yum-updatesd is turned off, I have Fedora 14 and it has it, but I'm not sure if Fedora 15 still does. But if you run this and see any "on" values, then you can turn it off:

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chkconfig --list yum-updatesd
yum-updatesd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off
Then do this:
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su -
<root password>
chkconfig yum-updatesd off
service yum-updatesd stop
or you can run system-config-services and stop/disable it there

In KDE4, you'd also want to go in System Settings -> Software Management
and go to "Settings" and set "Automatically install" to "None"

I also set "Check for updates:" to "Never" since I always do updates manually.
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Old 21st June 2011, 10:23 AM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

I was also hit by this. yum-updatesd was not guilty, since I don't have that package installed at all. My current hypothesis is that PackageKit does this regularly, without asking. In particular, in the file /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.packagekit.policy there is an action called org.freedesktop.packagekit.system-update with the default value for allow_active set to yes. That I believe means that the action is performed without even asking for authorization.

In my case I want to use yum manually to do updates, and I do it on the command line. So I have tried to disable PackageKit completely. (Unfortunately, it is no longer possible to remove it because of lots of dependencies.) I did that by creating a file in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d with the content.
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[Disable PolicyKit]
Identity=unix-user:*
Action=org.freedesktop.packagekit.*
ResultAny=no
ResultInactive=no
ResultActive=no
I hope this will help.
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Old 23rd June 2011, 10:56 AM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

As cymbaline42 stated, if you go to Activities, Applications, Other and select "Software Updates" it brings up the Software Update Preferences dialog.

By default is it set to Automatically install: "Only Security Updates". The other options available are "All Updates" and "Nothing". So if you don't want any automatic updates set it to "Nothing".
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Old 23rd June 2011, 10:05 PM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

But that would disable it only for the user(s) that do that, right? I want, as a system administrator, remove the possibility for all users.
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Old 15th July 2011, 12:43 AM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

I suppose another way to disable this would be to disable all yum repositories and explicitly enable them when you choose to do updates.

IMO, this is a terrible direction to take for the Fedora project as I don't have the Activies -> Applications -> Other -> Software Updates application on my Fedora 15 system so I'm still looking into the proper way to disable this trojan.
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Old 15th July 2011, 03:05 PM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

Which desktop are you running? The application that allows you to disable the updates is called gpk-prefs and is part of the gnome-packagekit software package.
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Old 15th July 2011, 03:37 PM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

I'm running Gnome Shell 3.0.

I just installed gnome-packagekit and now have the gpk-prefs option.

Thanks for the tip, JEO.
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Old 9th September 2011, 05:15 PM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

i am running FC15 with KDE 4.6.5. Where is the place to run system software update hiding? I can't find it under system, utilities, or administration. I think I need to run this but I can't find it here. In FC14 there used to be a setting to do it, but not that i can find in 15
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Old 13th September 2011, 06:58 AM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

If you are running Gnome Shell 3.0 go System Tools>Add/Remove Software. Then go to System>Software Sources. From there on you can drop down the Auto install to Nothing.
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Old 13th September 2011, 07:20 AM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

In KDE it is under System Settings -> Software Management. Then go to "Settings" in the left side pane and this will give you options to when to automatically check for updates and to enable/disable automatic install of updates.
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Old 15th October 2011, 04:23 AM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

I have attached a screen print of the settings window. I can't find Software Management on it or any of the drop down menus. Just exactly in the screen should it be?

See http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=270848 for a thread I opened about this problem.
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Old 19th October 2011, 11:41 PM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

I used Yumex and picked anything that seemed to be related to KDE and installed 20 odd packages. One of them must have been what I was missing. The Software Management icon now shows up in the system administration section. Closed as far as I am concerned. Seeing as I am not the originator, I can't close this for him.
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Old 25th December 2011, 11:26 PM
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Re: F15 Automatic Update Without Notice To User?

I'd like to point out I updated using gpk-prefs to disable the update, and I still had an update occur changing my kernel to 2.6.41.4-1.fc15.x86_64. I am flat out amazed that Fedora would default this to on as it kills any kernel modules installed by third party software like NVidia or VMWare.
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