Impressions of F15 so far - Page 15

jpollard · #**211** 6th April 2011, 09:59 PM

The last SELinux alert I read about was the improperly labeled /run directory.

Personally, I haven't had any alerts (I only started F15 testing after that).
I'm still figuring out if it works properly with KVM as that is where I'm running it. Audio doesn't work, but I'm not sure how KVM handles audio.

Audio does work on the host system (F14) just fine.

mmix · #**212** 6th April 2011, 10:56 PM

me too, zero selinux error. F15 is really stable.

***DBelton*** · #**213** 7th April 2011, 03:00 AM

I am having an issue with audio, but it's a selinux issue..

Code:

Apr  6 20:28:02 tower11 setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/pulseaudio from open access on the file c189:128. For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l 8dfc375c-f180-4ef1-a029-70922471eea9
Apr  6 20:28:02 tower11 setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/pulseaudio from open access on the file +sound:card0. For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l 8dfc375c-f180-4ef1-a029-70922471eea9

That was right after doing a complete selinux relabel to see if I had some files mislabeled. I did, but it didn't fix my pulseaudio issue.

RahulSundaram · #**214** 7th April 2011, 08:49 AM

Dbelton,

Check bugzilla too or report issues there. I already indicated, here is the bug report

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693247

***DBelton*** · #**215** 7th April 2011, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RahulSundaram

Dbelton,

Check bugzilla too or report issues there. I already indicated, here is the bug report

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693247

I saw that, and it looks like they have already found the problem and have put a change in systemd to correct it.

I'm getting the systemd update now, (I think it's the one with this change in it, I'll check to be sure) ald will see if that resolves my issue.

tsinik · #**216** 8th April 2011, 10:53 AM

Fedora 14 will be my last Fedora version that I will have in a production system. The decision for Fedora 15 to choose Gnome 3 seems to me very bad. I feel that it was based on some managerial point of view and has nothing to do with the needs of the community. It's a pity to see a great distro take a wrong turn. I am now looking for a new distro where I am going to be the owner of my systems and not a point-and-click user.

kraekan · #**217** 8th April 2011, 11:07 AM

I think Fedora just use the default Gnome with little in the way of tweaking. I presume that is why they are using Gnome3.

dragonbite · #**218** 8th April 2011, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsinik

Fedora 14 will be my last Fedora version that I will have in a production system. The decision for Fedora 15 to choose Gnome 3 seems to me very bad.

What would be their other choice? Xfce? KDE? LXDE? Fedora, I don't think, would be using an unsupported Gnome version and regardless of what people are saying, Gnome 3 is the future, Gnome 2 is going bye-bye. Plus Fedora is sort-of a showcase for Gnome, including a lot of the un-customized/modified newer Gnome stuff that the other distros watch and wait to include.

Could they have fought Gnome 3 and pushed Gnome to keeping ver. 2.x? Possibly but they probably didn't any more than openSUSE, Ubuntu, Debian and all the other distros involved with its development.

So if using Gnome 3 is inevitable why prolong the agony? People will complain with 15, grumble with 16 and totally forget this controversy by 17. If they held on to Gnome 2 it would just mean add +1 version to the above steps 16/17/18).

soundfreely · #**219** 8th April 2011, 02:31 PM

The more I use Gnome 3 and Gnome Shell, the more I really like it. Trying some of the extensions from http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=261189 have demonstrated its extensibility.

I also very much like the easier to read javascript extensions. While I never worked with javascript, I can read through it well enough and see that it wouldn't be too much of a task to make extensions or customizations of the desktop.

All in all, Gnome 3 needs to be given a chance by the naysayers. It's a step in a very good direction - even if it still needs some refinement to meet different people's ideas of a good DE.

bruce89 · #**220** 8th April 2011, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsinik

Fedora 14 will be my last Fedora version that I will have in a production system. The decision for Fedora 15 to choose Gnome 3 seems to me very bad. I feel that it was based on some managerial point of view and has nothing to do with the needs of the community. It's a pity to see a great distro take a wrong turn. I am now looking for a new distro where I am going to be the owner of my systems and not a point-and-click user.

Fedora = First.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonbite

Could they have fought Gnome 3 and pushed Gnome to keeping ver. 2.x? Possibly but they probably didn't any more than openSUSE, Ubuntu, Debian and all the other distros involved with its development.

So if using Gnome 3 is inevitable why prolong the agony? People will complain with 15, grumble with 16 and totally forget this controversy by 17. If they held on to Gnome 2 it would just mean add +1 version to the above steps 16/17/18).

Yes, the same goes for GNOME 3.0 itself. If it was delayed again and so on.

mpelletier · #**221** 9th April 2011, 03:06 PM

I think the negative vibes here are blown a bit out of proportion. While I think it is true that they could have waited even longer for gnome 3 to come out to fill out the feature set, it is not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I am slightly conflicted, though, in that I think it looks elegant and polished, but some design decisions seem to have been dictated more by how they look than how functional they are.

Case in point, the new gnome-shell departs from the preview shell that was available in F13 and F14, by leaving out the "recently used documents" and replacing the launchers with a dock. I like the look better, but a "recently used documents" widget is far easier to use than to have to think about the name of the document you were working on and then type to retrieve it.

Yet another missing function that was available in the previous gnome-shell is the mounted drives area. Currently, if you have CD/DVD in your drive you have to open the file manager to eject it! This is incredibly counter-intuitive. Furthermore, having quick access to your shortcuts (as the previous gnome-shell had) is very intuitive. Now there is an additional step to do this.

Now, in spite of all of this, there are some positives with the new gnome-shell. Quick access to system preferences (although for some reason the screen saver configuration is missing entirely from this menu), universal access settings, etc. is a welcomed improvement. In my opinion (I know, "everyone has one and they all stink...") the way gnome 3 handles VD's (that's virtual desktops guys... get your mind out of the gutter!) is more useful than the previous iterations of gnome shell. There is, however still considerable room for improvement here. Above all, the underlying theme design makes a lot of sense (e.g. css and the like).

I suspect in gnome 3.0.2 or some (quick follow up) will rectify most of our issues. If we can recall KDE 4, we will remember that it was barely even usable when it was first released. It was buggy and unstable. Now the KDE guys love it! By contrast, Gnome 3 is stable and elegant (looking). The features (or lack thereof) that cause us to moan in Gnome 3 will be a distant memory a year from now (if not 6 months from now). I am actually looking forward to writing some great addons.

Just wait and see... Before long we will be in love with Gnome 3.

jpollard · #**222** 9th April 2011, 03:13 PM

Kind of hard to see it when it doesn't work in a VM for testing.

and none of the standalone systems have the newest video, so the gnome shell aborts.

***Dan*** · #**223** 9th April 2011, 03:32 PM

Sorry about this one, guys, but the uptick in hardware required for Gnome 3, and the current stability and popularity issues brought the following to mind:

In a music bed with lots of brass fanfare and to be spoken enthusiastically - by a professional radio announcer - preferably one who also moonlights for Friday Night Wrestling:

Quote:

Welcome to Fedora 15, featuring Gnome Three! Just like Vista's Aero® ™ ...

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only for Linux.

And in the typical low, breathless, fast-talking lawyer-ese disclaimer style:

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pforsell · #**224** 9th April 2011, 04:03 PM

Now this one's actually genuinely funny

Evil_Bert · #**225** 9th April 2011, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpelletier

I think the negative vibes here are blown a bit out of proportion. While I think ...

... I am actually looking forward to writing some great addons. Just wait and see... Before long we will be in love with Gnome 3.

You are making far too much sense. Your post is logical, reasonable and complimentary.

This just won't do at all!!

Posts regarding Gnome 3 must be knee-jerk, derogatory and incoherent. I'm sure that's in the rules.