Why Linux is beat by windows

[XPFTP]

will i foudn the reason why linux is bet by windows .... the man's and how to's r not wrote for the simple person or newbie to linux..... when one ask for help the answers r in other words far form lackin.... some folks do not understand things and they try adn learn.... but it is very hard to learn when ur told ok do this and yet u have no clue as to do it where.....


i have seen many of mailing list and bbs in the same forum...... the ones who understand linux think not of the everyday person but as if u knew all .. well if we did we wouldnt be askin for help.... the linux world needs to change in this area or it wont go much more.. then web servers and such .... u all seen what happin with lindows... true linux is not a point n click world like windows but with a little help ... more then what is now easier to undertand mans and hot tos linux would pass windows by far .....


good luck linux u will need it one person who has givin up the fight to learn it ...........

[bob]

Sorry you've decided to give up the fight, XPFTP. But be fair, when you first booted up a Windows machine, weren't you a little out of your element? Didn't it take a while to feel comfortable? The difference many times is that there is generally a friend or family member right there to walk you through the first days with Windows, since it is so very common. Linux in all it's flavors is only 3-4% of the computer population, so chances are that you'll have to find answers for yourself. There are good 'how-to's packaged right in the linux OS itself and a lot of on-line help if you'll be patient and search for it.

Think now, when you had a problem with Windows, where did you turn? Chances are that you had to call the company who sold you your machine and pay a fee or wait on the phone for quite a while. Or, maybe you had a 'geek' friend who could bail you out. Did you find any forums for Windows with REAL people willing to help, free of charge, 24/7? Did they talk over your head? Well, did you ask them to spell it out in simple terms? They would have.

BTW, I am a very recent convert to Linux - purchased my first distro of SuSE in January and was confused as hell but kept at it and read a lot. Loaded FC2 in July, which is when I started working with commands and trying to make sense of the magic. If I can do it at 60'ish, it can be done by you too! Before you hang it up entirely, have a look at these tutorials - they might make things clearer:

http://linuxsurvival.com/index.php?m...ceid=1&meid=-1
http://www.johnmunsch.com/articles/F...ettingStarted/
http://linux.org.mt/article/terminal#N10076

I sincerely hope you'll give it a little more time.

[jcstille]

Well the linux community is trying and improving every day. I see exactly what you are talking about all the time, but this whole process is evolving.

[kosmosik]

how exactly Windows beats Linux? I don't know what you mean. it is like with cars: for average joe - probably family van beats mitsubishi lancer evo 8 in ease of driving, costs and so on... so what?

Linux is for everybody, just not everyone is for Linux

for me Linux beats Windows in most cases (but there are points where Windows is better. but this is not certainly ease of use. for me Windows is harder to use. try to debug something not working on Windows...). you mean install base? numbers? I don't care about numbers it is like "people eat ****! billions of flys cannot be wrong!" :P

[kosmosik]

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-...tml#not_losing
(I don't mean you are a looser but maybe if you read this document you will get the point)

[ghaefb]

Eric S Raymond... I love this guy
Good link.

[radu5er]

Originally Posted by XPFTP

... some folks do not understand things and they try adn learn.... but it is very hard to learn when ur told ok do this and yet u have no clue as to do it where.....
...........

Very few things worth doing are easy to learn, and computers are one of those things.

It is un-natural (for most people anyway ) to communicate via the machine language of ones and zeros and operating systems that are intended to make operating a computer easier are often complicated as well. The graphic interfaces are intended to be intuitive ways to accomplish tasks, but by whose intuitive standards? Some systems and people are more "intuitive" than others.


Advise for the new user is often hard to come by and is frequently complicated as well. People who really understand a subject sometimes have difficulty expressing complicated solutions to problems in terms the average person can understand. I cannot imagine how hard it must be for someone to understand the complexities of a new operating system and at the same time translate advise from a language they were not born to. You are to be congratulated for trying!

Perhaps if you just try some simpler tasks when first beginning to learn Linux it will be a bit easier. Just take things a step at a time, and give yourself time to understand what is happening with the operating system. When I first started, I could not get many things set up the way I wanted but I concentrated on doing simple command line tasks first and gradually things began to make sense, although I still have a long way to go!

Believe me, you will eventually make progress if you continue to try, and you will have a teriffic sense of accomplishment as well when you do succeed.

If "old guys" like justol'bob and me can do it, you can too!

Good luck.

[ptschneider]

Don't feed the troll.

[fjleal]

Originally Posted by XPFTP

will i foudn the reason why linux is bet by windows .... the man's and how to's r not wrote for the simple person or newbie to linux..... when one ask for help the answers r in other words far form lackin.... some folks do not understand things and they try adn learn.... but it is very hard to learn when ur told ok do this and yet u have no clue as to do it where.....


i have seen many of mailing list and bbs in the same forum...... the ones who understand linux think not of the everyday person but as if u knew all .. well if we did we wouldnt be askin for help.... the linux world needs to change in this area or it wont go much more.. then web servers and such .... u all seen what happin with lindows... true linux is not a point n click world like windows but with a little help ... more then what is now easier to undertand mans and hot tos linux would pass windows by far .....


good luck linux u will need it one person who has givin up the fight to learn it ...........

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[xsos]

helo, guys could i give an opinion ? , first i want say sarry for my poor english.

1. windows beat linux in easy to install aplications, windows user could get aplication cd easly and install it easlly, no worried about depecies problem and seek the file that needed by instalation like linux did.
especially in some country internet connection is expesive like my country, not many computer user have an internet connections. In my country to get cable conection you need to pay +- 65U$ every month with small bandwidth..

2. many people don't like text when it loading. I like mandrake cause when loading their hide the loading text, but we could show it up , windows win cause it have full graphical interface from boting untul shutdown, may be for us that is no problem, but how about people who dont know about the computer things ?

3. many hardware supported by windows, and many hadware company supported windows.
man, until now i could find a driver for my canon lide 50 scanner.

4. many big software development are support windows, like adobe, autodesk, macromedia, etc.

and that why windows beat linux in some countries especially my country Indonesia, and microsoft had supported many technology university like my university to develop windows application. More programer could do the windows more cheaper they sallary. In indonesia to hire a linux programer it need more cost that windows programmer.

But i like linux , why ? 1st it's free, 2nd more stable, 3rd xine and mms is awesome multimedia player with good sound and pictures more than player that you install in windows , less virus awesome community

thanks, i hope we could share about linux things. And make our linux dream come true , my linux dream is linux beat windows and make every people using it, at home, at office even at your school

go go go linux....

[Luc4]

Originally Posted by xsos

helo, guys could i give an opinion ? , first i want say sarry for my poor english.

Me too :-).

1. windows beat linux in easy to install aplications, windows user could get aplication cd easly and install it easlly, no worried about depecies problem and seek the file that needed by instalation like linux did.
especially in some country internet connection is expesive like my country, not many computer user have an internet connections. In my country to get cable conection you need to pay +- 65U$ every month with small bandwidth..

Not so in agreement. Windows applications have a heavy cost. Windows itself doesn't give anything to yuo but some small apps. If you want something serious you have to buy Office which is very expensive (not acceptable for me). OpenOffice for me is sufficient and I've never found anything I couldn't do with it, for instance. The same is for anything else I think.

2. many people don't like text when it loading. I like mandrake cause when loading their hide the loading text, but we could show it up , windows win cause it have full graphical interface from boting untul shutdown, may be for us that is no problem, but how about people who dont know about the computer things ?

Sorry, can't understand. Loading of what?

3. many hardware supported by windows, and many hadware company supported windows.
man, until now i could find a driver for my canon lide 50 scanner.

This is a different kind of situation. This is not a problem of Linux itself, but of the community in general. I have no problems with my hardware, I'k lucky, but I think that it is sufficient to buy from now on only Linux supported hardware. So, decide before buying. The only problem I think, is for the hardware you already have.

4. many big software development are support windows, like adobe, autodesk, macromedia, etc.

This is absolutely true. It's been a year I'm using Linux, but I tried for the first time it 3 years ago. Every time I tried it I came back to windows cause I needed softwares I couldn't find under linux. Now, I'm ok.
I think this is the same as before. Do you agree? Not a limitation of Linux itself, but of the community.
By the way. I'm seeing that little by little big companies are moving under Linux. For instance I read some weeks ago that Adobe is doing so with all their softwares. It will takes a lot of time, but, being patient...

Only my opinions.
Hi all.

Luca

[Darrell Lawrenc]

I am a complete Linux newbie. Your post caused me to remember a line from the first Spiderman movie: "With great power comes great responsibility." Rather than giving up, I would suggest embracing the learning expericence. Yes, you have to do a little digging to get information. Not to toot my own horn, but as a complete newbie, I have installed FC3 on my laptop, got my wireless networking up and running, figured out how to install a flash and java plugin into Firefox, and discovered that the default shell that boots can be changed by using the switchdesk command in a terminal.

My first take - Linux is an extremely powerful operating system, but you have to invest some time and take reponsibility to learn. There are certainly a multitude of books available. I noticed that Barnes & Noble will have the Linux Bible for FC3 available near the end of December. I plan on purchasing it as a starting point for my own personal learning.

[imdeemvp]

Hey you can get some linux classes if you want to learn and read many books. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=29406

[KiwiNZ]

I think the replies have missed to point of the original post.
What I believe what was being said is , the Linux Distros want to become mainstream at least many of them , eg Mandrake , Suse, RH, etc . This means Mr amd Mrs Joe Public who wants to power up click and run.

They should not have to negotiate the flame fest that is usually the world of support forums . They should not need to hack the system and elastoplast it together to get their brandX machine working.

If Linux is to become the real competition the way I really hope it will then the approach needs to change.

[Lopov]

Microsoft sux and no matter how many trolls say it doesn't, facts are facts.