Updated F14 ISOs

alxle · #1 8th December 2010, 03:49 PM

Hi!
Are the Fedora spins and mainly the main dvd ISO regularly updated?
I think it very helpfull if every month or two a new dvd iso would be available.
Then noone needs to download and install so much updates anymore... ;-)
Bye,
Alex

***DBelton*** · #2 8th December 2010, 03:53 PM

really, once the DVD images are released, they aren't updated until the next release.

I see what you are saying, and in some ways it would be a good idea, and in others a really bad idea.

If you realized how much time and work it takes to create one of the DVD images, then you would see that it's really not feasible to release them that often.

alxle · #3 8th December 2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DBelton

really, once the DVD images are released, they aren't updated until the next release.

I see what you are saying, and in some ways it would be a good idea, and in others a really bad idea.

If you realized how much time and work it takes to create one of the DVD images, then you would see that it's really not feasible to release them that often.

Isn't the process automated? And I think for instance every two months (3 times) until the next release is not too much work, isn't it? Maybe there will be some volunteers?

***DBelton*** · #4 8th December 2010, 04:01 PM

well, the people that put together the DVD's are now working on the next release of Fedora. Do you want them to stop working on the next release to put out an updated DVD?

But I do know the pains of installing, then having to download a lot of updates. I think one time I installed, then just about every package had to be updated.

***bob*** · #5 8th December 2010, 04:13 PM

Here's something to check out: http://torrent.fedoraunity.org/

***DBelton*** · #6 8th December 2010, 04:20 PM

nice info there, bob.. but it looks like they haven't done anything on that since Fedora 12

***bob*** · #7 8th December 2010, 04:25 PM

Yes, and probably for the reasons you mentioned. It's a PITA to do, plus the financial cost, and by the time you got it released, there's 100+ new updates. We simply have a distro that's moving very quickly and if you're not on broadband, then Debian Stable might be a better option.

***DBelton*** · #8 8th December 2010, 04:34 PM

From the looks of things, that project didn't last very long at all. And I would tend to agree. a PITA plus the financial costs = doomed project.

Myself, I don't mind the constant updates. I like the fact that the distro is moving very fast.

Also, if there were multiple versions of the install available out there, it would be harder to answer questions with people having problems in here. As it is, within a week or so after a release, the install problems are pretty much known and workarounds have been found.

alxle · #9 8th December 2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bob

Here's something to check out: http://torrent.fedoraunity.org/

Thanks for the info. I'll keep an eye on it!

RahulSundaram · #10 9th December 2010, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by alxle

Isn't the process automated? And I think for instance every two months (3 times) until the next release is not too much work, isn't it? Maybe there will be some volunteers?

The composing tools that can generate DVD images fairly quickly and of course we can script it but the problem really is comprehensive testing. That is a very significant amount of time investment that not many volunteers are willing to sign up for. We already have to push hard to get testers for the official Fedora releases. I really wish we could do more but so far it hasn't proven very sustainable.

assen · #11 9th December 2010, 09:17 PM

Hi,

If you have a wired network connection (not PPPoE or similar stuff), then try the netinst CD. It will install everything from the Internet, so you're guaranteed to always get the latest version for each package and no updates will be required immediately after installation.

WWell,

g8jvm · #12 9th December 2010, 09:29 PM

Hi Guys

I was reading the thread and something struck me, about once the .iso is released it doesn't change
Does anyone know why on the day after FC14 was released the x86_64 dvd image was nothing like the one I've downloaded two days ago.
What I downloaded at the release was old and very broken, and had at least 250 updates,
What I've downloaded now is stable, and looks good.

Sorry its OT but I spotted the statement about non-changes

BR
Richard

alxle · #13 10th December 2010, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by assen

Hi,

If you have a wired network connection (not PPPoE or similar stuff), then try the netinst CD. It will install everything from the Internet, so you're guaranteed to always get the latest version for each package and no updates will be required immediately after installation.

WWell,

Yes, that's a good idea. But what if you have to install Fedora on several computers? What if your internet connection is a "normal" one (maybe about only 1Mb)?
...

RahulSundaram · #14 10th December 2010, 07:29 AM

Hi

If you have multiple machines to maintain, it is always best to use kickstart and a local repository. Some links to get started

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infras...vate_mirror.3F

http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/11/...ced-with-pulp/

alxle · #15 10th December 2010, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RahulSundaram

Hi

If you have multiple machines to maintain, it is always best to use kickstart and a local repository. Some links to get started

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infras...vate_mirror.3F

http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/11/...ced-with-pulp/

Thanks for the info. Maybe this is the way out...