Fedora's future ?

Originally Posted by smr54

What I find far more disturbing is RH's taking the desktop aspects of Fedora and moving them into what is, in theory, a server O/S.

Redhat also has a RHELD ( redhat enterprise linux Desktop ) apart from a Server package.

[joe.pelayo]

Originally Posted by smr54

What I find far more disturbing is RH's taking the desktop aspects of Fedora and moving them into what is, in theory, a server O/S.

And who says server O/S's can't be user friendly?

Thanks,
Joe.

[Evil_Bert]

Not long after most people move to the "cloud", someone will have the bright idea of speeding up performance by preloading common apps and components on local storage media .... kinda like a "desktop" ....

[soundfreely]

There are uses for cloud computing. I think a good direction for Red Hat is to create HPC scheduling within a cloud environment. When a project warrants HPC time, it could be bought by processing time per project or even as another subscription.

I really doubt that desktops are going anywhere anytime soon. In the near future, we may see more applications that are similar to Turbo Tax's online implementation. There may be more document sharing services and we'll continue to see online backup and synchronization services.

Most people still don't have enough (or consistent enough) to move their whole desktop into the cloud. I also suspect that many people will have issues with the privacy offered by cloud computing.

As I've mentioned already, cloud computing is the latest fad and buzz word. It's a contest to see who can say cloud the most. It's an attractive business where you could sell subscriptions to everything (and yes, that means less freedom in our software - which many companies would love). As an attractive business, it's one that most companies are going to talk about in order to seem relevant. It doesn't necessarily have total bearing over reality.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Evil_Bert

Not long after most people move to the "cloud", someone will have the bright idea of speeding up performance by preloading common apps and components on local storage media .... kinda like a "desktop" ....

AYup. I can see that one coming already. <....>

Originally Posted by JONOR

Yeah Yeah, Dan Agatha Christie,

Always stealing my thunder.

I have it on good authority (from the voodoo lady), that Agatha is mortified! <....>


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Originally Posted by soundfreely

... Most people still don't have enough (or consistent enough) to move their whole desktop into the cloud. I also suspect that many people will have issues with the privacy offered by cloud computing. ...

Ya think?!

Something about this whole situation just tickles my sense of the ridiculous. And, also perhaps, distant memories of vintage Asimov.

[CiaW]

Originally Posted by joe.pelayo

I have a Mac at my office I sometimes use. It was assigned so I don't own it. At home I have a laptop with Fedora (the new one) and another laptop (the oldie, up for sale sometime) which received a new breath of life from the Sun.

I'll post later here from Solaris so you can see.

Or I could beat you to it! Of course, this was message 10 and it could be you already posted and I haven't gotten that far down the thread yet.

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around ZFS and how to make it work for backups; but I did at least get ext3 support installed so I can read and write files to my shared data partition.

And on-topic, I agree with issues about performance, and security. I think it's a plot cooked up by Google to have more places to serve up their ads!

[joe.pelayo]

Originally Posted by CiaW

Or I could beat you to it! Of course, this was message 10 and it could be you already posted and I haven't gotten that far down the thread yet.

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around ZFS and how to make it work for backups; but I did at least get ext3 support installed so I can read and write files to my shared data partition.

And on-topic, I agree with issues about performance, and security. I think it's a plot cooked up by Google to have more places to serve up their ads!

I avoid the filesystem compatibility issues by accessing data on that machine over the network (I set up a small one with a router in my bedroom). Only problem is that SSH is kinda slow between Fedora and Solaris.

Right now I have installed the Solaris machine under a table and it is acting effectively as a server in which I'll execute the heavy tasks.

Thanks,
Joe.

[Mikko]

Originally Posted by Dan

For a moment she closed her eyes. The silence got thick, like the hot humid swamp gasses masquerading as air ...

That was just her fart, actually.

'Cloud' (what a stupid noise, as Dame Edna Everage would say) is the buzzword du jour on the server side, so of course Red Hat is going to be on the bandwagon. I'd think the so called cloud applications should be good for Linux on both ends, as Linux is a good platform for both web browsers and servers. If the aim is to get rid of the dependency on the local desktop system, shouldn't the expensive and arbitrarily limiting (think DRM etc.) proprietary ones be the first to go?

[JONOR]

I hope that is not Redhat's aim for Fedora.

Originally Posted by soundfreely

I also suspect that many people will have issues with the privacy offered by cloud computing.

Big issues; even as it is now, my government has the legal power to access my hard drive when my system is on-line i believe.
But at least i can work off-line.
If anyone should think replacing a local system with a monitor and keyboard plugged into a network without a local operating system
(much like a glorified telephone system) holds any merit for anything more than the most casual of uses,
i would like to hear how they justify the potential loss of privacy.
Surely it is a business (and political) threat ?
I hope Fedora will not be lead that way.

Originally Posted by joe.pelayo

I'll post later here from Solaris so you can see.

Thanks,
Joe.

lol.
Those little icons sure cause little flame wars within the forum

[droidhacker]

Just a little point of history everyone....
Back in the '60's and '70's...... EVERYTHING tended to be on the "cloud".

It wasn't until the 80's that the desktop really picked up the power to be halfway useful.

Before the mid 90's there really wasn't much of a NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE, so computer's, especially or smaller organizations and individuals, HAD to work standalone.

Now we've got a good network infrastructure, but standalone computation.

So where we're headed now is HOPEFULLY to some sort of EQUILIBRIUM, where SOME data is available "out there", but where you can do performance oriented heavy lifting using your local dedicated equipment. Get the best of everything.

There is NO major radical move to put "everything" online... despite the buzz-word addicts and the possible attempts to do so. It simply isn't going to go that far!

Why? For the same reason that public transit isn't the exclusive means of transportation -- it can be very inconvenient!

[JONOR]

Originally Posted by droidhacker

There is NO major radical move to put "everything" online... despite the buzz-word addicts and the possible attempts to do so. It simply isn't going to go that far!

Why? For the same reason that public transit isn't the exclusive means of transportation -- it can be very inconvenient!

For me, apart from where it is needed for links, even being offered on-line storage free of charge
doesn't outweigh the greater time spent trying to keep it all up to date compared to local storage.
I switched my back-up data back to local drives just last week as it happens,
but i don't suppose that was the sort of thing Jim Whitehurst was thinking about.

I wonder what was running through his mind development-wise for the near future of the individual user ?
Perhaps within a few years we'll have broadband speeds, capacities and software that will allow
the access, harmonisation, storage and editing of all types of TV and video content with ease.
Maybe this is where the cloud will get preferential development and Fedora will get enhanced when linked to the Redhat site ?
In time we'll probably all have smart phones or similar and their physical limitations might drive such a move.

[rclark]

I also suspect that many people will have issues with the privacy offered by cloud computing.

..... First thing I thought of.... privacy issues.... Companies like 'Carbonite' (just picking on one of many) ... All your personal day to day data 'out there' in the wild. Not that you/I have anything to hide you understand.... but identity theft is still a problem ... you think ? . No I'll just keep using rsync to backup my systems (notice plural) on the home net, behind my firewalls and routers, and critical files (like pictures/finances) stored on DVD 'elsewhere' off site for the rare case of fire or other unforeseen destruction. What makes an off site DVD more secure than say Carbonite? The DVD isn't accessible except physically. Carbonite is 'in the cloud' so to speak 'waiting to be used' where bugs, trolls, snoops can 'possibly' find access too.... The more people that use it, the more attractive is it for someone to try to crack the system. So for me, the desktop with my applications installed is 'my future' regardless of where Fedora, BSD, Max, Billy, and many others, go with their heads in the clouds.... But then, I still don't own a cell phone for general use either other than a TracPhone for emergency calls..... . Just leave a message on the phone at 'home' and I'll get back to you .