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Old 3rd June 2010, 10:04 AM
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Applications disappear instead of being deprecated

Last week I had a "Notebook PC hits floor at high velocity while switched on" incident and decided to install Fedora 13 on the new hard disk.

All went smoothly until I tried to restore my data from backup.

Simple Backup is not in the Fedora 13 repository, and guess what application I had been using to do my backups?

Looking at the release notes I can see that deja dup is the new simple backup solution, but I did not notice anything saying that Simple Backup had been removed.

Fortunately I had a Fedora 12 box with enough space to recover my data and from which I transferred the recovered data, but it added several hours to the task.

I now have to work out what to do with the several full and incremental backups made by Simple Backup and which I would like to keep for a few months more but which will require me to keep a machine with the old distribution just for that purpose.

I think it would be much fairer for users if there is a 6 month changeover period in which both versions of backup exist in the repository and the release notes make it clear that Backup system X is deprecated, will not appear in the next version and Backup System Y is the recommended solution going forward.

I appreciate the devs aren't here but if anyone could suggest to whom I should address this comment I will gladly do so.

If the Fedora 12 Release notes DID actually say this then I have learned a valuable lesson...
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Old 3rd June 2010, 10:10 AM
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Re: Applications disappear instead of being deprecated

There is a site dedicated to how to communicate with Fedora:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate
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Old 3rd June 2010, 10:43 AM
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Re: Applications disappear instead of being deprecated

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Last week I had a "Notebook PC hits floor at high velocity while switched on" incident and decided to install Fedora 13 on the new hard disk.

All went smoothly until I tried to restore my data from backup.

Simple Backup is not in the Fedora 13 repository, and guess what application I had been using to do my backups?

Looking at the release notes I can see that deja dup is the new simple backup solution, but I did not notice anything saying that Simple Backup had been removed.

Fortunately I had a Fedora 12 box with enough space to recover my data and from which I transferred the recovered data, but it added several hours to the task.

I now have to work out what to do with the several full and incremental backups made by Simple Backup and which I would like to keep for a few months more but which will require me to keep a machine with the old distribution just for that purpose.

I think it would be much fairer for users if there is a 6 month changeover period in which both versions of backup exist in the repository and the release notes make it clear that Backup system X is deprecated, will not appear in the next version and Backup System Y is the recommended solution going forward.

I appreciate the devs aren't here but if anyone could suggest to whom I should address this comment I will gladly do so.

If the Fedora 12 Release notes DID actually say this then I have learned a valuable lesson...
If you want you build it, join the project and submit a review request.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join


Or you could try this rpm (or rebuild it)

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/b...buildID=147233
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Old 3rd June 2010, 12:39 PM
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Re: Applications disappear instead of being deprecated

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Or you could try this rpm (or rebuild it)

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/b...buildID=147233
I downloaded the rpm and installed it. It appears to run. I will test it properly when I return home. Thanks for that.

Do you have access to privileged information or could I have found that URL if I had known where and how to look?

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If you want you build it, join the project and submit a review request.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join
I downloaded the source and will take a look at it. Maybe this will finally persuade me to migrate from Perl to Python.
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Old 3rd June 2010, 01:03 PM
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Re: Applications disappear instead of being deprecated

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I downloaded the rpm and installed it. It appears to run. I will test it properly when I return home. Thanks for that.

Do you have access to privileged information or could I have found that URL if I had known where and how to look?



I downloaded the source and will take a look at it. Maybe this will finally persuade me to migrate from Perl to Python.

It is public.

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds

Koji is the buildsystem for fedora
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