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Old 27th May 2010, 12:38 AM
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devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

There is a sticky saying that devs dont read these...

WHY?


Fedora has been sliding down a slippery slope since fc7, we really do need devs here, or something drastic needs to happen to prevent an FC meltdown.

---------- Post added at 04:38 PM CDT ---------- Previous post was at 04:37 PM CDT ----------

seriously, when you try to make a bugtracker account they never send a confirmation email
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Old 27th May 2010, 12:42 AM
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Re: devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

There are many methods of interacting with the devs. Although it's recognized and linked to FedoraProject, this is an independent Forum and not the way the devs expect or want to communicate.

For best results, click on the FedoraProject link above and use the Communicate link to get you started.

BTW, I hope you've posted your problems here and asked for some user assists as well. For me, I didn't expect to switch over to F13 so soon, but my install is working so well that I've already made it the default boot (although F12 and F11 and Rawhide still have their own partitions).
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Old 27th May 2010, 12:49 AM
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Re: devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

So how much is a cuban cigar nowadays?


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Old 27th May 2010, 12:50 AM
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Re: devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

Time on forums can be very time consuming, and most of the devleopers prefer mailing lists.

We are fortunate enough to have one of the people doing a lot of the documenting, and another who has a lot of say in QA, taking the time to view the forum.

It can go in all sorts of different directions. You can say, if they aren't here, Fedora will lose people, (which they probably do frequently--but others join.) As long as RH is the main Linux server commercially, I suspect Fedora doesn't have to worry about its user base. I do see, in job listings, a few asking for Ubuntu, but the vast majority, at least here in the tristate Northeast (NY, NJ, CT) US still want RedHat.

So, at this point, it's still a bit of a seller's market, and it's up to the users to go to the mailing lists, rather than demand the developers come to the forums.
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Old 27th May 2010, 12:53 AM
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Re: devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

The devs need to be developing, not fooling around on the internet. Fedora forums is for users of Fedora.
I haven't noticed any spiralling, btw
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Old 27th May 2010, 01:05 AM
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Re: devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

It strikes me as odd that you've knowingly put yourself into a catch-22.

You saw the sticky that the devs aren't here, yet posted a message saying that the devs need to be here, which won't be read by the devs because they're not here.
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Old 27th May 2010, 02:13 AM
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Re: devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

Seems to be the day for it, so I guess I'll be blunt.

Developers don't have the time, nor the inclination to track the dain bramaged minutia of a forum. So, it's a commitment filter and an ID-10-T debris grid.

Those who wouldn't be terribly useful at all, except to make large noises and small stinks are left to bloviate ad-nausium on the forums, and those who might actually have a sense of responsibility and commitment to the open source community aspect of the distro development, read the writing on the wall, understand what it means, heave a sigh, gird their loins, and go join a mailing list, or at the very least, open an account at bugzilla, and file useful bug reports which the developers can then track down and fix. (sometimes)

Even if they were here, what makes you think they would necessarily agree with us, and/or respond in any way positively to the silliest of poorly thought out gripes and complaints?

Just for kicks and giggles, and to maybe get a better grip on the concept, have a look through this thread. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=188693
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Old 28th May 2010, 08:20 PM
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Re: devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

Death spiral? Whats your problem?
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Old 28th May 2010, 09:05 PM
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Re: devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

Nothing we can fix here. Probably better to just let it fester all by itself.
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Old 30th May 2010, 12:12 AM
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Re: devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

I expect that if the Devs aren't actually banned from these forums then they will read them.

Maybe cuban_cigar has a point - perhaps not so much death as . . . well, slumber.

When the user friendly ubuntu is released with it's proprietary video card support, support for chromium browser etc, there is a buzz of excitement.

When fedora is released, with it's reluctance to support things the user wants - but hey it's cutting edge don't u know . . . then it's sort of yawn, zzzzz . . .
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Old 30th May 2010, 12:22 AM
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Re: devs NEED to be here to prevent the fedora death spiral

*Sigh!*

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When fedora is released, with it's reluctance to support things the user wants - but hey it's cutting edge don't u know . . .
Methinks you've missed the point ... again.

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The Fedora Project is a global partnership of free software community members. The Fedora Project is sponsored by Red Hat, which invests in our infrastructure and resources to encourage collaboration and incubate innovative new technologies. Some of these technologies may later be integrated into Red Hat products. They are developed in Fedora and produced under a free and open source license from inception, so other free software communities and projects are free to study, adopt, and modify them.

Read an overview to find out what makes Fedora unique, and learn about our core values — the foundations upon which the project is built.
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Freedom represents dedication to free software and content. We believe that advancing software and content freedom is a central goal for the Fedora Project, and that we should accomplish that goal through the use of the software and content we promote. By including free alternatives to proprietary code and content, we can improve the overall state of free and open source software and content, and limit the effects of proprietary or patent encumbered code on the Project. Sometimes this goal prevents us from taking the easy way out by including proprietary or patent encumbered software in Fedora, or using those kinds of products in our other project work. But by concentrating on the free software and content we provide and promote, the end result is that we are able to provide: releases that are predictable and 100% legally redistributable for everyone; innovation in free and open source software that can equal or exceed closed source or proprietary solutions; and, a completely free project that anyone can emulate or copy in whole or in part for their own purposes.
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Creating a Free (as in Freedom) distribution

* Create a complete, general-purpose operating system built for and by a community. The operating system is an integrated set of software that addresses and balances needs of a wide variety of users and contributors.
* Build the operating system exclusively from free and open source software. Fedora is self-hosting and self-building, and requires no non-free software to create the distribution.
* Emphasize usability and a "just works" philosophy in default configurations and feature designs.
* Include a wide range of packages that fits into the various different needs of the users. This package set is limited, of course, to packages that Fedora can legally provide, and also subject to our packaging guidelines.
* Produce robust time-based releases every six months using a release model that allows the development team the flexibility it needs to ensure quality, while making sure that a release does not slip indefinitely. Our schedule may shift from time to time based on participant needs, but only after consideration and approval by the community governance entities that oversee the Project.
* Ensure that releases will always be available for free download in binary, source packages and as installable images.
* Provide timely updates for releases, throughout the supported lifetime of a release.
Now. I've done the first bit of homework for you here. The rest is up to you. Go to the fedora project website and do some digging. The answers are there ... even if you don't particularly like them.





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