POLL: Fedora updates - conservative or adventurous? - Page 3

**AdamW** · #31 5th March 2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Demz

so let me get this right, there proposing to eradicate updates-testing all together by deleting that repo? if thats correct isnt most packages tested before it gets there?

Huh? What? No, no-one's proposing removing updates-testing.

**AdamW** · #32 5th March 2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by leigh123linux

Ok, how about a packagekit trayicon that informs users about potential bugfixes or updated versions from updates-testing + a mechanism to install them.

Yeah, some kind of PK integration is one of the Big Ideas here, no-one's stepped up to write it yet unfortunately

#33 5th March 2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by leigh123linux

Ok, how about a packagekit trayicon that informs users about potential bugfixes or updated versions from updates-testing + a mechanism to install them.

whats the point of that when a lot of users remove PackageKit?

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Originally Posted by AdamW

Huh? What? No, no-one's proposing removing updates-testing.

oh ok , well i read it wrong then.

leigh123linux · #34 5th March 2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamW

Yeah, some kind of PK integration is one of the Big Ideas here, no-one's stepped up to write it yet unfortunately

Perhaps Richard Hughes could write it to make up for past sins

Nokia · #35 5th March 2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by leigh123linux

Ok, how about a packagekit trayicon that informs users about potential bugfixes or updated versions from updates-testing + a mechanism to install them.

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Originally Posted by AdamW

Yeah, some kind of PK integration is one of the Big Ideas here, no-one's stepped up to write it yet unfortunately

Can't wait to have it. By the time it's written my son will be ~ 2 years old. Can't wait introducing him to his new toy: Clicking on the :Give Feedback" button

(As in: does it matter who's providing it or we just care about the feedback of the "feedback" ? )

SlowJet · #36 5th March 2010, 10:20 PM

hahaha, hasn't he been doing that for a couple of years now.
I guess one more will ensure his 7 virgins.

SJ

**AdamW** · #37 6th March 2010, 02:46 AM

nokia: at present we're basically running on the honor system, though there's an embryonic system whereby feedback on critpath updates has more value if it comes from members of rel-eng or QA teams.

Nokia · #38 6th March 2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamW

nokia: at present we're basically running on the honor system, though there's an embryonic system whereby feedback on critpath updates has more value if it comes from members of rel-eng or QA teams.

I'm not very sure what that honour system means, as I'm not sure it matters whether I give karma anonymously or by logging in. (99% of the time I take the extra step to log in though

)
And yes, read about that embryonic system sometime ago when critpath was proposed - I think - and seemed a reasonable idea.

till · #39 6th March 2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by leigh123linux

Here's some more insanity

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/piper...ch/132197.html

What is insane about this?

NBZ · #40 6th March 2010, 07:38 PM

Just thinking out loud - the average person may not want or have the need to test updates.

However, a person hitting bugs WILL want his bug solved.

So whenever the automatic bug reporting tool is started, maybe it should as part of its course offer up a list of relevant package updates in the bug reporting interface?

The person could click, test update, there and then give some feedback and have the testing repositories closed again immediately afterwards.

(Maybe an applet started started by ABRT asking for feedback that stays in the system tray till the person responds or choose the "leave me alone" option?)

**AdamW** · #41 7th March 2010, 12:33 AM

nbz: that's a pretty good idea, and shouldn't be impossible. I'll pass it on to the abrt team. Thanks! (abrt doesn't catch all bugs, only crashes, but could still be useful).

LonelySpooky · #42 7th March 2010, 02:32 AM

I guess that if we want a more conservative distro we can simply use CentOS/RHEL

kevmif · #43 7th March 2010, 04:02 AM

wayyyyy too conservative already. A little more adventurous is needed. Some things are so far behind its not funny (firefox for example - using rawhide version perfectly - can't believe it hasn't been compiled for F12.

cra · #44 7th March 2010, 04:34 AM

Once a Fedora is released, it should become more and more conservative over time until EOL. The previous stable release (currently F11) should definitely be more conservative than the current stable (currently F12). Many of us use Fedora for real work and can't afford to deal with the inevitable issues that occur when major upgrades happen in the middle of a stable release. We'd rather be able to schedule these disruptions for a specific time when we have to deal with them and we'll be expecting to deal with the changes--e.g. when we upgrade to the next Fedora release (F13).

VoodooSteve · #45 7th March 2010, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cra

Once a Fedora is released, it should become more and more conservative over time until EOL. The previous stable release (currently F11) should definitely be more conservative than the current stable (currently F12). Many of us use Fedora for real work and can't afford to deal with the inevitable issues that occur when major upgrades happen in the middle of a stable release. We'd rather be able to schedule these disruptions for a specific time when we have to deal with them and we'll be expecting to deal with the changes--e.g. when we upgrade to the next Fedora release (F13).

I completely agree. To add to this, perhaps the current stable release can be adventurous while the previous stable release is conservative. Once Fedora N+1 is released, Fedora N becomes conservative. This way users that want conservative can run the previous stable release and users wanting adventurous can run the latest release (I'm assuming they're running this anyway).