Good addition to Wiki-- release compatibility

xtian · #1 10th October 2009, 08:35 PM

How about adding to the Fedora Wiki a chart on Fedora - RHLE compatability. For example the Sun MySQL Download site makes no mention of Fedora download, only Enterprise.

Chris

scottro · #2 10th October 2009, 09:43 PM

Seems that would be difficult. Sun's site is an abomination anyway.

They have a DIrectory Server version for RedHat AS4--not EL4, AS 4. Which, of course, works fine with EL5.
That's just an example, but point is, it's a bit difficult for Fedora to test all things on Sun's site and see if any of them work, especially since, finding something on Sun's site can be a song and dance. (Try to find the patch that they say to download for said Directory Server. Go on, click on the link.---oooh, you're at a search site. What are you looking for--errm, the patch that I clicked.

Well, click this link to see if you have to pay for it. Ok. Ohhh, 404.

That, sad to say, is typical of Sun.

scottro · #3 10th October 2009, 10:35 PM

Firstly, let me apologize--I was having so much fun ranting about Sun's site, that I didn't give you a good answer.

It's not a bad idea in itself. However, these forums aren't the place to submit it. There's a link at top, with a dropdown box that includes Communicate with Fedora.
(Hrrm, it doesn't seem to work. Ok, maybe we're trying to be like Sun.

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http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate is the link.

You'd probably have to join one of the mailing lists, the documentation one, I would think. Then, it would be a matter of finding people willing to test and try.

The other problem (that I see--this is NOT OFFICIAL--I'm just another user) is that it seems you're talking about 3rd party programs. In general, Fedora tries very hard to use only opensource, (which means something like Sun SQL, or aforementioned Directory Server, wouldn't be supported officially, and simply something that a user or users had tried and found to work or not work.

Still, the idea itself isn't bad. If you wanted to start a thread along the lines of 3rd party software that works with Fedora, we could try to keep it clean--that is, move the inevitable, How do I get this to work with Fedora posts that came in. Note that this is just an idea, and not necessarily the best one.

(I would, for example, like to discuss it with the other staff first, if you decided that it was the way you wanted to do it.)

I hope this ramble is a bit of use to you, and again apologize for my rant in my first response--but I saw Sun, and an excuse to rant about their site, and couldn't help myself.

RahulSundaram · #4 11th October 2009, 05:46 AM

Hi,

My wiki page on RHEL at

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux

has a section on which RHEL releases are derived from which Fedora releases. That is a rough indication of compatibility although verifying binary compatibility accurately is a very tedious process.

xtian · #5 12th October 2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by scottro

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It's not a bad idea in itself. However, these forums aren't the place to submit it. There's a link at top, with a dropdown box that includes Communicate with Fedora.
(Hrrm, it doesn't seem to work. Ok, maybe we're trying to be like Sun.

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http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate is the link.

I looked into those pages. Not-End-User:

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Originally Posted by Fedora Discussions

#fedora-docs - Chat specifically related to Fedora Documentation, not end-user discussions

I wasn't really after starting a thread about third party software. I'm strictly about our own back yard--Fedora. Why is it that a user cant find a version history in Fedora's WIKI? I understand not repeating other good efforts, but does that say Wikipedia should be the place to look??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_11#Releases

What about compatibility issues? I read a page that described the difference between the RHE and Fedora. It said they were the same but for the updates; RHE is paid for like a subscription. RHE competes with the commercial apps like Windows by being an active community--active = stable. Fedora gets revved later based on what works from "Red Hat Enterprise Linux servers", and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop clients". This suggests that RHE in its current version 5 should be similar to Fedora 10. Fedora should be a version behind RHE.

I don't know enough about this to start the Wiki page myself. I would if I did. Hopefully with this discussion, the next person who runs into a third party app or outside-Fedora discussion about some software they want to investigate, the next person will understand the exact relationships and decide for themselves if they can use it.

Chris

markkuk · #6 12th October 2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtian

Why is it that a user cant find a version history in Fedora's WIKI?

Maybe the user doesn't know how to search the Wiki? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtian

Fedora gets revved later based on what works from "Red Hat Enterprise Linux servers", and "Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop clients". This suggests that RHE in its current version 5 should be similar to Fedora 10. Fedora should be a version behind RHE.

It's just the opposite, RHEL gets built based on what works in Fedora and RHEL is behind Fedora. RHEL 5 is based on Fedora Core 6.

sej7278 · #7 12th October 2009, 01:41 PM

i don't really care about RHEL compatibility with Fedora, if I wanted that I'd use CentOS.

What would be useful is which Fedora releases are compatible with which other ones, for example, most F9 RPM's seem to work with F10, some don't work with F11.

When I upgrade my F10 to F12, I would still like to use those RPM's, but I doubt they'd still work, but I don't know until I've tried, which doesn't help much for forward planning. If I could lookup somewhere what libraries have had major version changes and so are unlikely to be backwards-compatible with binaries, that would be helpful.

Obviously these are closed-source RPM's.

xtian · #8 13th October 2009, 04:26 AM

My original issue was explain the shift in naming Red Hat to Fedora Core to Just Fedora and how this relates to Red Hat. When I read about some random project on the net being based on Fedora Core 6, and this gets to sej7278's concern, is this still worth attempting or considering with my current Fedora 11 install?

If it was Mac OS, I know the major shifts are OS 9 to OS X and RISC chip to Intel chip. A given application from OS 9 can run through as emulation in OS X and maintaining backwards compatibility. Of course who can remember ten years ago; what's an extension or a control panel. (^_^)

I'm starting to pick up some bits of RH/F. I feel a place to begin is to find one point of how Fedora is different in its backwards compatibility; maybe the nature of open source makes for a new situation?

C

PS) and for my part, I'm coonfused how this Apache Ant has changed things recently. I'm trying to make a test machine for Apache, PHP, MySQL and I couldn't even find the app Apache on my computer cuz they named it ant-apache!