Which Fedora will be RHEL6?

[tho.mei]

Hallo

does somebody know when RHEL6 will look up. With Google you can find only rumour. Many think Q1 2010 will be the date of the resale. How does know more? Will F11, F12 or F13 be the base for RHEL6. Any news about it?

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

RHEL release schedules aren't announced in advanced. They are released when they are ready. You will know when the beta gets released roughly what the schedule would be.

[scottro]

I wonder though--Fedora is definitely going in the direction of a desktop distribution. Wouldn't taking too many of the features from it make RHEL harder to use as a server? I'm talking about things like the stronger Gnome dependencies, small things like automatic 0 time out on grub,
things that might be useful for desktop distro, but not necessarily in a server.

I'm no longer sure what the relationship is between the two, save for the fact that no doubt, RH, like Ubuntu and everyone else, probably makes good use of the things that Fedora tries.

[RahulSundaram]

Hi,

Not sure what you mean by stronger GNOME dependencies. Anyway, there is a server SIG in Fedora and there are a whole host of features developed targeted as servers as well. What doesn't make sense for EL, Red Hat can disable or change in their product. Configurable items like the grub time out is easily changed via kickstart files by customers. Not a big deal, IMO.

[scottro]

Ah thank you. It's a bit clearer now.

As for Gnome dependencies, I was referring to things like tying sound to consolekit, how with some desktops, NetworkManager doesn't yet work properly, and the like.

I was also unaware of the server SIG.

The question though is, will RH disable the things that don't make sense?

Obviously, all silly smile faces aside, it's not always an easy decision as to what is necessary for server vs. workstation.

[RahulSundaram]

Hi

Sure The tradeoffs and therefore the decisions that get made because of them will in all possibility not match individual expectations 100%.

[robert-e]

scottro;
Just for a moment, look at the RHEL and Fedora Desktop in this way: RHEL makes one of the best, if not the best, server. It would make a lot of sense for RH to make a Desktop package that compliments or even enhances their Networks. If the desktops hanging off the RH servers work better than those using MS Windows, RH would stand to sell more servers.

This notion has side effects for (us) users of Fedora releases: a desktop OS produced for the average office worker will be much less suitable for a non-network desktop user. The former will tend to be dumbed-down/locked-down, and the latter user would be mostly frustrated.

Think of some of the recent changes: no easy root login...networkmanager automation...inability to kill X (Crtl-Alt-Bksp)...PulseAudio networked audio...Selinux...PolicyKit... All these seem to serve to lessen the work of the network administrator.

My 2 cents worth.
Regards,
Bob

[NBZ]

Once RHEL 6 is out, I would be surprised if there is not a corresponding RHDL released too (ie return to the desktop market). Much has changed since RedHat left the commercial desktop market and I fully expect them to embrace the desktop when the next major release is out.

As for when, my guess would be in 2010, no idea if early or late though. So either F12 or F13.

[robert-e]

NBZ,
I tend to agree with you; in fact, I think that Redhat, through their Fedora testing platform has already been doing just that for at least a couple of years. However, I do believe the (resulting) desktop is not going to be something the average single-user "not connected to a server" is going to find attractive. Rather, it is going to be a desktop that enhances the attractiveness of Redhat's server business. What I mean here is that Redhat wants/needs to be sure that it has something in place should Microsoft make changes to it's OS to make connection to a Redhat server "less than useful". If and when that happens, Redhat needs to be able to invite it's customers to deploy a SECURE and FUNCTIONAL desktop that is designed to work very well with Redhat servers.

What does that mean to us as "regular desktop? user? Well, I guess I don't know, as I am not as up to speed as some others on these forums. I would invite comments from such as Sidways, Stevea, Hingler, and others that don't come to mind right now. You know who you are. I would be very interested in your views.

Best regards,
Bob

[TheMadIndian]

Dont they already make a desktop version the workstation? which it seems from their site their calling desktop now

http://www.redhat.com/rhel/desktop/

i think its called RHDL = Redhat Desktop Linux

[AdamW]

No, it's called Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop, just like it says on the page.

edit: it may be interesting to know (or not) that most RH staff run RHEL on their desktops. Those who work on Fedora usually run Fedora, of course. But we have a RHEL desktop image that most other staff (including non-technical staff) use on their systems.

[sej7278]

networkmanager and avahi on a server isn't going to be popular!

i can imagine a server sitting in a datacentre randomly connecting to printers, mounting shares, bridging wireless networks and changing its ip address every few minutes lol.

Originally Posted by AdamW

No, it's called Red Hat Enterprise Linux Desktop, just like it says on the page.

edit: it may be interesting to know (or not) that most RH staff run RHEL on their desktops. Those who work on Fedora usually run Fedora, of course. But we have a RHEL desktop image that most other staff (including non-technical staff) use on their systems.

so your right, i just took a shortcut

[AdamW]

sej7278: it's very easy to disable both, or indeed to install without NetworkManager at all.