adjusting gnome mixer options

[jerboyd]

hey everyone. i'm just messing around with the F11 RC and i had a question about the new audio properties dialogue. on F10 there was an option in my mixer to choose the digital input source (analogue audio or digital mic) my laptop has one of those onbaord mics. anyways, with later kernels the onboard mic worked and i was enjoying using the mic but now i'm not sure how to select my input source. the gnome mixer doesn't give an option and alsamixer -c0 doesn't either. any help would be greatly appreciated.

thx

[sideways]

have your tried pressing F4 in alsamixer then select Input Source (up/down cursor to change available sources), you'll also probably need to increase the capture levels on all inputs (including Mux, Mux 1)

To get full volume on F11 I have to set the PC Speaker volume to max, don't ask, it's a mystery to me.

[jerboyd]

the alsamixer shows two input source selections and they both only have one option, the same option. what i'm missing in both alsamixer and gnome sound mixer is the digital input source which in F10 shows both inputs, the microphone jack and the onboard digital mic.

i've also had the low volume problem but after boosting it in alsamixer -c0 its fine.

edit: i just found the digital input option, it's with the playback options in alsamixer, now my mic works. is there any way to make this visible in the gnome mixer? how can it be customized?

[sideways]

Originally Posted by jerboyd

i've also had the low volume problem but after boosting it in alsamixer -c0 its fine.

is there any way to make this visible in the gnome mixer? how can it be customized?

Nope, the decision's been made to simplify gnome-mixer, and it won't be changed unless you can post a very compelling reason on the mailing lists.

Apparently we're lucky that they decided to include alsamixer even, it was a last minute decision.

If you ask the fedora team they'll tell you pulse-audio works great now and if it doesn't you have incompatible software/hardware that doesn't follow the correct rules for all this pesky sound stuff, so it's your fault not fedora's.

Or post a bugzilla with detailed hardware info, and then raise a ****storm if they don't produce a fix.

For an idea of how mature everyone involved in the debate is, read some of this stuff, you'll either laugh or cry:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Is...hange_of_Ideas
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Is...ewar_Continues

[jerboyd]

pulse is working well for me now but as far as simplifying gnome mixer is concerned would it not be simpler to show all possible input sources? there's only one or two on most day to day users machines anyway. oh well, at least i figured it out.

[AdamW]

yum install gst-mixer

will give you the old gnome-volume-control (on the Sound & Video menu, as Advanced Volume Control).

This will be installed by default in F11 final (and future pre-releases), alongside the new gnome-volume-control (which is still what you get in the panel).

I got these changes finally committed yesterday.

[AdamW]

on input selection in PA - Lennart wants to implement it in a good way. Right now, there are at least three different methods for doing input selection all provided by different cards, that I'm aware of, and some cards present a dozen apparent 'input channels', only three of which you'd actually want to touch.

Lennart is trying to come up with a design which will use the same interface on all cards, and only present the choices that actually make any sense. But until then, no input selection in Pulse-based volume controls for you! hence my campaign to include the old mixer as well for now.

[ovadyah]

Originally Posted by AdamW

yum install gst-mixer

will give you the old gnome-volume-control (on the Sound & Video menu, as Advanced Volume Control).

This will be installed by default in F11 final (and future pre-releases), alongside the new gnome-volume-control (which is still what you get in the panel).

I got these changes finally committed yesterday.

Got it installed and finally found it under System - Preferences

[AdamW]

That's interesting, it does seem to show up in both places...I was really intending for it only to show up in Sound & Video. Oh, well.

[sideways]

it only shows up in System -> Preferences as Advanced Volume Control for me in F11 Preview fully updated from rawhide.

The ncurses based alsamixer in a terminal should be enough for most problems,

alsamixer -c0 -Vall

fidlling with enough controls there usually fixes things for me (yes, even skype can be made to work )

[MetaCarpal]

Originally Posted by AdamW

yum install gst-mixer

will give you the old gnome-volume-control (on the Sound & Video menu, as Advanced Volume Control).

This will be installed by default in F11 final (and future pre-releases), alongside the new gnome-volume-control (which is still what you get in the panel).

I got these changes finally committed yesterday.

Holywow, thank you. Good fix.

[AdamW]

sideways: alsamixer is actually the best mixer for fiddling with the raw ALSA elements, technically speaking, but it's a pain for most people to understand (or even find), which is why I wanted gst-mixer in there.

[Mikko]

I also got Skype to work by turning up the mic volumes in alsamixer. However, there is a very long delay for outgoing voice, which makes discussion impossible. Incoming voice and video are played without delay, but the outgoing voice had a 30 s or so delay. The cpu load goes up to about one busy core for as long as the call is on (the system is still usable on a dual core machine), and the load seems to be caused in equal parts by Skype and Pulseaudio. So, there seems to be some sort of bad interaction between Pulse and Skype that causes a very long delay in the recorded voice going out to the other end of the connection.

I'm using

skype-2.0.0.72-fc5.i586
pulseaudio-0.9.15-11.fc11.i586
kernel-PAE-2.6.29.3-140.fc11.i686

The sound device is

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)

Does anyone else see this? Any ideas?