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Old 16th February 2009, 04:01 PM
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Monkeys have sense of morality

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5733638.ece

According to the article, monkeys have morality. Well that's kinda obvious, have you ever heard of a monkey stealing from anyone? Or monkey police?

Its only the humans who need policing.
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It will be interesting to see how long this one remains open!

I have no arguments with the findings, it simply indicates that primates have intelligence. No one denies this. I just wonder if what is being described as "morality" is not simply the instinct of helping others for the common good of the whole for mutual survival? Ants will use themselves as living bridges so that other ants can continue along the path. Morality?

In any case, even if animals do have a basic morality, what does this actually show? That everything was designed by a single creator in a similar way? The logical question to ask is why is it our species alone has come this far yet no other species has even evolved to 1/100th of our capabilities?

edit: BTW, chimps do steal from other tribes, war with other tribes and even display cannibalistic behavior in certain cases. But I doubt they are capable of policing themselves.

edit edit: Think about this, dogs commonly rescue their masters or help humans in many ways. You can claim this is a trained behavior but the reality is it is not always. I have seen one species of animal nurse another species of animal baby. Morality because the mama goat is afraid the baby lamb will die? I think not. I have had many cats that have shown concern for me. Animals have an instinct of when a human is sad or lonely or knows to stay away when you are mad. Once again, I wouldnt read too much into this research. When that primate shows that it wonders who it is, why it is here, where it will go when it dies...Then you will have something.

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Old 16th February 2009, 04:30 PM
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*Sigh!*

Like a duck on a Junebug!

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It will be interesting to see how long this one remains open!
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Old 16th February 2009, 04:33 PM
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*Sigh!*

Like a duck on a Junebug!

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You betcha! The thread should not be allowed according to forum guidelines, but as long as it is here then I am going to discuss it. You cannot ethically censure just one side of an argument.

Close it if you like, I will give notageek the link to a forum where we can discuss this.
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Ooops!!!

BTW I never really understood "Planet of the Apes", I've watched the Tim Burton's rendition and the original, neither explains how Apes take over humans.
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Yeah, this one was pretty close to doomed from the start. Go ahead and post the link, Sean. I'd like to follow that too.
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I never thought we'd be discussing that argument. All I'll say everyone's entitled to their opinions, and others have a right to disagree.

This was not a thread intended to raise that subject.
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Notageek, you link an article claiming that primates have morality which will supposedly crush fundamentalist opposition, the article is full of evolutionary dribble that is not only not proven but cannot be proven because it is scientifically impossible in the first place, and you say you didnt think it would be THAT kind of an argument?

If you would like to discuss anything religious or political then go here:

http://forums.megagames.com/forums/index.php

Join and post in the speak out and be heard section. This forum is all but dead, it was very active at one time but they mismanaged themselves and people left. There are still a few of us left though and it would be wonderful to resurrect the place. I have had many great discussions there in the past. I could also link you to many Christian and creationist forums but this one is non-partial, in fact, I am most often the only one standing against many. Just how I like it.
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Guys ... just because we don't allow religious or political discussions here doesn't mean they are not perfectly valid and interesting subjects. We just don't let them get started here due to the strong feelings surrounding them which usually end up in rancor, bitter argument and other ugliness.


Now that the link is published ... before any more trouble can get started ...


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