Alpha 1 EXT4 Boot?

[Nullack]

I tried a pre Alpha 1 release and it didnt allow me to boot from an EXT4 partition during the anaconda install.

Now that Alpha 1 has been released, can EXT4 be run on the boot partition? Like Ubuntu.

[scottro]

Nope, and that's covered in the release notes.
(In part because of my nagging.)

Rahul, if you see this post, I *told* ya it was going to happen. @Null@ack, that's not an insult to you, it's that I predicted that Ubuntu users, who have a grub that can boot the ext4 partition, would get annoyed when they chose ext4 and found that they would need a separate /boot partition.

Fedora is working on getting a version of grub in there that can boot ext4, but it might not make it into F11.

They're not satisfied with its (that version of Grub's) stabilty, and felt that it was better to make sure that the computer will consistently boot.

I don't know the differences between it and the version that Ubuntu is using, nor whether the Ubuntu folks consider it stable or just figured, what the heck, let's take a chance.

[Demz]

so EXT4 by default may not be in Fedora11? , should be used to having features dropped ,

this would explain i guess that Ubuntu are going to use ext4 by default in 9.10

this is pretty silly the Redhat/Fedora Devs mention ext4 default in Fedora11 on the feature list an yet they dunno if its gonna work in Grub?.. you'd think they'd test it in whatever Grub version before mentioning it to be default in Fedora11's feature list

what they should have put on is this

ext4 Default file system? that way its no certainty that it was/wasnt gonna make it as Default

[Nullack]

9.04 isnt EXT4 by default - its a manual configuration item thats optional.

GRUB in 9.04 is not GRUB2.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Demz]

anyone gonna use GRUB2?.. last i saw on the Grub mailing list an i asked Rahul about this why Fedora doesnt use Grub2 at the moment is because its to buggy if you look at the Grub mailing list

[SlowJet]

Originally Posted by Demz

so EXT4 by default may not be in Fedora11? , should be used to having features dropped ,

this would explain i guess that Ubuntu are going to use ext4 by default in 9.10

this is pretty silly the Redhat/Fedora Devs mention ext4 default in Fedora11 on the feature list an yet they dunno if its gonna work in Grub?.. you'd think they'd test it in whatever Grub version before mentioning it to be default in Fedora11's feature list

what they should have put on is this

ext4 Default file system? that way its no certainty that it was/wasnt gonna make it as Default

The F11 default partitioning choice(meaning the user does not need to deal with partitioning at all on a single disk setup.) is

a /boot of approx 200MB on ext3 partition type 83

LVM on partition type 8e made of a PV-VG with 2 LV's
One swap for 2GB
One for / formatted as ext4 for the rest of the VG space.

It is very efficent and secure, and with ext4, faster by an noticeable pecentage.

The ext3 /boot is mentioned 2 or 3 times in the release notes.

SJ

[Demz]

i dont think i'll lose any sleep over it if ext4 gets dropped from being default. as long as presto makes it in thats all i care about

[SlowJet]

Actually you could loose several hours of sleep per year waiting for ext3 to ext3 copies.

SJ

[Demz]

thats true, it is rather slow but i rekon i can cope with it by having a beer while it finishes its job

[drunkahol]

Aw man - I hope ext4 makes it in as default. Shame to lose it on something as simple as this!

Agreed that presto is a bigger concern though :-)

Cheers

Duncan

[Demz]

IMO coming to think of it, they should push ext4 as default for fedora12 till they actually test this other Grub out which may have to be done internally till Fedora12 testing gets underway

[SlowJet]

Originally Posted by scottro

Nope, and that's covered in the release notes.
(In part because of my nagging.)

Rahul, if you see this post, I *told* ya it was going to happen. @Null@ack, that's not an insult to you, it's that I predicted that Ubuntu users, who have a grub that can boot the ext4 partition, would get annoyed when they chose ext4 and found that they would need a separate /boot partition.

Fedora is working on getting a version of grub in there that can boot ext4, but it might not make it into F11.

They're not satisfied with its (that version of Grub's) stabilty, and felt that it was better to make sure that the computer will consistently boot.

I don't know the differences between it and the version that Ubuntu is using, nor whether the Ubuntu folks consider it stable or just figured, what the heck, let's take a chance.

The default install would be a seperate /boot of ext3.

How ever, the LiveCD had an error and the default does not make ext4 anyway.

So the op would have had to deliberatly make a / that contained /boot and formated with ext4.

So far, every comment in this thread about the ext4 default install has been wrong.

SJ

[Demz]

Eric Sandeen tends to feel ext4 as default in fedora11 will make it from his post on the devel list

Joshua C. wrote:
> > 2009/2/6 cornel panceac <cpanceac@gmail.com>:
>> >> ok, thnx a lot.
>> >>
>> >> 2009/2/6 Jeremy Katz <katzj@redhat.com>
>>> >>> On Friday, February 06 2009, cornel panceac said:
>>>> >>>> it is written in the release notes that ext4 is the new default file
>>>> >>>> system.
>>>> >>>> however, i've just installed f11alpha-kde from live cd and ext4 was
>>>> >>>> nowhere
>>>> >>>> to be found. is this a bug? or is it according to the plan?
>>> >>> The live image ended up being composed as an ext3 filesystem due to a
>>> >>> bug that was being tripped over and the live install works by copying
>>> >>> the filesystem from the live image. Hence, it ends up just following
>>> >>> whatever was built, which was ext3 in this case
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jeremy

> > But the ext4 will be the default in f11, won't it?

So far so good I think ... (other than that livecd problem!)

-Eric

[SlowJet]

Originally Posted by Demz

Eric Sandeen tends to feel ext4 as default in fedora11 will make it from his post on the devel list

It has already made it into the default install.
But it didn't work in the LiveCD due to a bug while creating the LiveCD.

(I assume the DVD would create a default install that has the / LVM LV as ext4.)

Nowhere does it say in the release notes or documentation that F11 will use ext4 on the /boot for default install.
The release notes do say to use ext3 on the /boot which would imply /boot or / with a dir of /boot..

SJ

[Demz]

i dare say so they'll do a patch job on the release notes eventually