PackageKit groupinstall?

[ctubbsii]

I searched the forums for this, but couldn't find it: Why doesn't pirut's replacement have a groupinstall option?

I'd really like to get the development libraries and the development tools groups installed as a group in a single click, rather than pick through what I need, and later find out I missed some, and have to go back and get the ones I missed.

I suppose I could resort to yumex or use yum's command line, but it'd be nice if it was right there in a context menu over the groups. It really should be there. Pirut should not have been replaced without it, in my opinion.

Also, what's with this new pkcon program? Why replace yum with yet another update manager? Yum rocks.

[Hlingler]

Good questions. But the correct place for this post and your comments is: http://www.hughsie.com

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i dont think PackageKit can do a groupinstall .. perhaps packagekit 0.4.0 can i dont know

[marcrblevins]

Try:

su -
yum install PackageKit*

Fedora decision higher up in the food chain made this choice. Got used to it by now.

what do you need to do a group install of?

to do a group install of a DE just type

yum groupinstall 'kDE (k Development Environment)'

[marcrblevins]

I think the OP made a good point, there should be a groupinstall package for PackageKit stuff.

Originally Posted by marcrblevins

I think the OP made a good point, there should be a groupinstall package for PackageKit stuff.

i agree with you but Packagekit is in the hands of Hughsie an redhat ...better off to suggest this to either one

[ctubbsii]

Originally Posted by Demz

what do you need to do a group install of?

to do a group install of a DE just type

yum groupinstall 'kDE (k Development Environment)'

Absolutely, this is the way I do it. However, my thoughts are that this is a graphical feature of the installer, and used to be a feature of pirut, but it's a feature that has been removed from any graphical interface post-install. It's easy to do from the command line if you're familiar with yum.

However, for thoughts are for new and emerging users who first install Fedora, and later decide that their installation choices were not quite what they wanted. They will look for a graphical equivalent to install the familiar groups that were presented to them in a similar manner by the installer (such as "Office and Productivity", "Development Tools") when they first chose their package options. They will be unable to find any such option.

I'm not even questioning PackageKit's lack of this feature. What I'm really questioning is why Fedora chose to accept PackageKit when it clearly wasn't ready to replace pirut. (which is why I posted here instead of at hughsie.com)

[sideways]

PackageKit does have group install, in gnome install gnome-packagekit and use gpk-application (Sytem -> Administration -> Add/Remove Software) and select Package Collections. In kde install kpackagekit

[Hlingler]

Originally Posted by ctubbsii

I'm not even questioning PackageKit's lack of this feature. What I'm really questioning is why Fedora chose to accept PackageKit when it clearly wasn't ready to replace pirut. (which is why I posted here instead of at hughsie.com)

Once again: this Forum site is populated and administered by "users helping users", and is not (generally) monitored by the developers, nor officially run by the Fedora Project. Such issues are best directed elsewhere, to those places/people who can answer/act on them.

In this case, sideways has provided the answer: PackageKit does provide the desired feature, if you install the correct add-ons.

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[ctubbsii]

Originally Posted by sideways

PackageKit does have group install, in gnome install gnome-packagekit and use gpk-application (Sytem -> Administration -> Add/Remove Software) and select Package Collections. In kde install kpackagekit

Excellent. This is exactly what I was looking for. Now, if only there was some way to traverse the hierarchy, it'd be perfect...

[ctubbsii]

Originally Posted by Hlingler

Once again: this Forum site is populated and administered by "users helping users", and is not (generally) monitored by the developers, nor officially run by the Fedora Project. Such issues are best directed elsewhere, to those places/people who can answer/act on them.

In this case, sideways has provided the answer: PackageKit does provide the desired feature, if you install the correct add-ons.

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You seem to be berating me for having posted in this forum, implying that it was the wrong place for such a complaint. I disagree. In fact, by having posted here, as a user trying to get a feel for what other users thought about this issue and how they've addressed it, I was able to find information on how to do what I was looking to do.

In fact, if I had addressed the issue to developers prior to posting here, I would have been berated there for not being completely 100% familiar with the product I was complaining about, as a user. I think it's better to post to user-supported forums first, prior to bringing up the issue to developers. The outcome was unpredictable: I was complaining about a feature I mistakenly thought was missing, and another user enlightened and helped me. I'd say this was the perfect place to post.

[Hlingler]

@ctubbsii:

I was not berating you, nor attempting to discourage you from posting/seeking help on these forums. I was attempting to direct you to the place where your comments/concerns/questions would be best directed. In most cases (and there are quite a lot), that place is the Fedora Project itself, or the web site of the application/developer. In this one case, it turns out that the desired feature does in fact exist.

However, my comments in Post #10 were in response to your direct question:

What I'm really questioning is why Fedora chose to accept PackageKit when it clearly wasn't ready to replace pirut. (which is why I posted here instead of at hughsie.com)

Please try to understand our viewpoint: in those vast majority of cases, we the Staff and members of this forum are unable to fix/act on any end-user complaints about features of the OS and/or software. Accordingly, complaints (real or apparent) posted here are, quite frankly, pointless, and can become very frustrating to those of us who eventually read many of them.

While I hope that continue to use and enjoy the Fedora OS, and these forums, as much as most of us, please keep in mind that we are (almost) all just end-users like yourself, and voluntarily provide these services.

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