Fedora Linux Support Community & Resources Center

Go Back   FedoraForum.org > The Dungeon > Archived (Click Header To See Sub-Forums) > Alpha, Beta & Snapshots Discussions (Fedora 10 Only)
FedoraForum Search

Forgot Password? Join Us!

Alpha, Beta & Snapshots Discussions (Fedora 10 Only) Post Development Version comments and questions that don't belong in Bugzilla here. These posts will be moved or deleted once the Final version is released

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 6th August 2008, 11:17 PM
sideways's Avatar
sideways Offline
Retired User
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: London, UK
Posts: 4,999
Fedora 10 Alpha i686 Live CD, initial thoughts (with pics)

Tried Fedora-10-Alpha-i686-Live.iso on 5 different PCs. It's got the expected teething problems but results were mostly good. I also ran it through qemu-kvm and it works almost flawlessly.

Code:
 sudo qemu-kvm -m 512 -cdrom /mnt/data/ISOs/Fedora-10-Alpha-i686-Live.iso &
The first thing nearly everyone will notice is the graphical boot not working, you'll probably see something like this:



Pressing escape will give you the usual text boot, with a nice new blue colour scheme (Fedora is a very "blue themed" distro after all) EDIT oops, sorry, the blue text was just a quirk of the vesa mode I selected.



To see the proper graphical boot screen, press tab to change the boot options and add 'vga=ask' as a parameter, then select a suitable VESA mode, it looks like this



The login screen now looks like this, it has a mysteriously redundant Keyboard selector (there is nothing to select!)



And annoyingly, like F9, the system-config-keyboard applet is no longer in the Sytem->Admistration menu, so you have to launch it from a terminal. For UK keyboard users this will become a pain doing it every time you boot up the LiveCD. Changing the keyboard still generates an selinux message in setroubleshoot, as it did in F9 (and F8 iirc), but the change does get applied.

On the subject of selinux on the LiveCD, why is it there? If you start 'top' and press G 3, you'll see /usr/bin/sealert is one of the big memory hogs at initial login. Is it really needed in a lIve environment? Selinux also causes glxgears to fail to run even when direct rendering is enabled.

The content of the LiveCD hasn't changed much from F9. Gnumeric has been removed, and the Cheese webcam app has been added, which is neat for taking pics of yourself.

A rather handy thesaurus has been added to accompany the dictionary (although the dictionary still requires internet access to work, which is a little disappointing:



The LiveCD boots up fine (from a usb stick) on a Toshiba Equium A100 laptop, Asus Eeepc 701 and Dell Inspiron 1520. It fails to boot on an Asus A8V based desktop PC with ATI Radeon 800 Pro graphics. On the Toshiba, everything works as expected, incl direct rendering compiz, audio and the internal wifi, which is pretty impressive for an alpha release. EDIT forgot the 5th PC, a VIA KT3 Ultra 2 based desktop with Radeon 9600 graphics - this boots ok, although a kernel error is displayed, but everything seems to work ok (incl direct rendering), this is the only machine that runs glxgears without selinux error, which is a bit weird. Unfortunately the usb interface is 1.1 so it's pretty damn slow!

Just a couple of gripes to finish with

1. Touchpad tapping doesn't work again (as in F9), and there's no default /etc/X11/xorg.conf to edit to enable it, so you have to create a default one either using system-config-display or just have a copy on the free space on the usb disk, then restart the xserver with ctrl-alt-backspace. I really think this must be "fixed" in the LIveCD at least.

2. No Gparted in System Tools, but there is a rather useless 'Disk Management' app which throws the same authorisation error it did in F9

Last edited by sideways; 7th August 2008 at 02:33 PM.
  #2  
Old 6th August 2008, 11:27 PM
RahulSundaram Online
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,573
Hi,

Good review. Make sure issues are reported in http://bugzilla.redhat.com. There is a large number of users using the live cd as a installation method so the environment including SELinux is kept the same as the regular installation images for consistency.
__________________
Rahul
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram
  #3  
Old 6th August 2008, 11:36 PM
sideways's Avatar
sideways Offline
Retired User
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: London, UK
Posts: 4,999
Quote:
Originally Posted by RahulSundaram
Hi,

Good review. Make sure issues are reported in http://bugzilla.redhat.com. There is a large number of users using the live cd as a installation method so the environment including SELinux is kept the same as the regular installation images for consistency.
Cheers, I will try to post to bugzilla.

re selinux, I understand the packages need to be there in case of an install to hardisk, but does selinux need to be enforcing by default while in a Live session, I would have thought permissive mode would be a more suitable default.
  #4  
Old 6th August 2008, 11:46 PM
RahulSundaram Online
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,573
Hi,

The live cd is a demonstration of the experience of Fedora and it is good to have the same consistent environment whether you have installed it or not. Also, in the alpha/beta releases, the live cd's are a quick way to test something without necessarily installing it anywhere and if there are SELinux issues, developers would want to hear about that. More exposure helps.
__________________
Rahul
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram
  #5  
Old 6th August 2008, 11:54 PM
sideways's Avatar
sideways Offline
Retired User
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: London, UK
Posts: 4,999
Ok cool, I recall Jeremy Katz saying this had been discussed so I guess there isn't much point bringing up the issue again, but system-config-selinux does seem to take ages to start in this release (to disable it), hopefully that will improve. I'll try to post a specific bugzilla relating to the glxgears segfault and selinux error, and the system-config-keyboard selinux message.
  #6  
Old 7th August 2008, 03:11 AM
scottro's Avatar
scottro Offline
Retired Community Manager -- Banned from Texas by popular demand.
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: NYC
Posts: 8,142
Y'know the funny thing--as I hadn't seen mention about that blue bar (sideways' initial picture) on the testing mailing list, I thought it was by design, an attempt to emulate Ubuntu's boot screen. I didn't realize it was simply a minor bug, that is apparently not that common (since, as mentioned, I haven't seen anyone else talk about it on fedora-testing.)
  #7  
Old 7th August 2008, 03:21 AM
Demz
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
i dont like the Newer GDM, its getting worse not better
  #8  
Old 7th August 2008, 08:35 PM
RahulSundaram Online
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,573
Hi,

If you have specific complaints, you should file a bug report at http://bugzilla.redhat.com. I am not sure simply stating a preference that you dont like something helps.
__________________
Rahul
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram
  #9  
Old 8th August 2008, 03:17 AM
crainey69 Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Macon, MO
Age: 44
Posts: 330
As far as the blue scrolling bar,

I've made the change from the first post and can't seem to get any of the VESA options to make any difference in how it boots.
  #10  
Old 8th August 2008, 04:15 AM
Dies Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,752
vga=0x318

Worked just fine for me but YMMV.
 

Tags
alpha, fedora, i686, initial, live, pics, thoughts

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
installing fedora -11 -i686- live - FEL lokeshvh Installation and Live Media 1 24th September 2009 06:27 PM
i686 Fedora Live Media metaylor Using Fedora 0 25th June 2008 06:04 PM
How to log-in in Fedora 9 Alpha Live KDE rosemary Alpha - Beta (Fedora 9 Only) 30 26th February 2008 12:14 AM
Help Me.......... Fedora 8 KDE i686 LIVE CD ashzoomerintrac Installation and Live Media 2 2nd December 2007 01:56 PM
problem with Fedora-7-KDE-Live-i686.iso jasee Using Fedora 25 30th November 2007 09:54 PM


Current GMT-time: 04:14 (Wednesday, 19-06-2013)

TopSubscribe to XML RSS for all Threads in all ForumsFedoraForumDotOrg Archive
logo

All trademarks, and forum posts in this site are property of their respective owner(s).
FedoraForum.org is privately owned and is not directly sponsored by the Fedora Project or Red Hat, Inc.

Privacy Policy | Term of Use | Posting Guidelines | Archive | Contact Us | Founding Members

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

FedoraForum is Powered by RedHat