How is Fedora 8 KDE supposed to fit on a CD?

redrazor39 · #1 20th July 2008, 06:59 PM

If you look at the torrents page on getfedora, the Fedora 8 KDE live CD is 806MB! CDs are only 700MB! How is that supposed to work?

I really want to try Fedora 8 KDE but how am I supposed to make a LIVE CD?

PabloTwo · #2 20th July 2008, 07:52 PM

If you go here, then click on "see all torrents" button, you will see that the Fedora9 Final Live KDE i686 Torrent file is listed as 693MB.

redrazor39 · #3 20th July 2008, 08:22 PM

I don't want Fedora 9. I made a live CD and I hate it. KDE 4 is totally messed up and I don't really like GNOME (that's why I left ubuntu in the first place). I want Fedora 8, but this is what it shows:

F8-Live
Fedora-8-Live-KDE-i686.torrent Fedora 8 Live KDE i686 699M map 2007-11-08
Fedora-8-Live-KDE-x86_64.torrent Fedora 8 Live KDE x86_64 806M map 2007-11-08
Fedora-8-Live-x86_64.torrent Fedora 8 Live x86_64 768M map 2007-11-08
Fedora-8-Live-ppc.torrent Fedora 8 Live ppc 700M map 2007-11-08
Fedora-8-Live-i686.torrent Fedora 8 Live i686 698M map 2007-11-08

The formatting didn't paste correctly but you can see that the Fedora 8 Live KDE x86_64 is 806M. How is that supposed to fit on a live CD?

BTW, I'm not sure if I'm even supposed to have x86_64. I have a 32-bit Intel Centrino Core 2 Duo Processor. I read in Wikipedia that it should work fine, but further confirmation would be great.

***Hlingler*** · #4 20th July 2008, 09:02 PM

You don't know if you're supposed to use the x86_64 architecture, yet you are concerned that the KDE-x86_64 ISO image won't fit on a single CD ?

Why not just be safe and download and install the [KDE]-i686 architecture ? Many of us who have 64-bit capable processors do so anyhow, for a number of reasons, which a quick forum search should reveal (hint: see "Read This First" section).

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PabloTwo · #5 20th July 2008, 09:19 PM

Yeah, sorry about that. You did say Fedora 8 in original post, which I then promptly forgot. Another alternative, if you decide you really want x86_64 version of F8 and it must fit onto a 700MB capacity CD, is the Fedora8-Live-XFCE-x86_64 Torrent which is only 687MB large, available here

You could then yum groupinstall the KDE DE after you installed it. Another advantage of this Live spin of F8 is that is uses a respin of F8 dated sometime in Feduary of 2008, so there would less to 'update' after the install. An i686 version (32 bit) of this is also available and only 621MB download on torrent.

These custom spins are meant for a 'lightweight' F8 install, so don't have all the standard F8 issue apps included, but do have some nice substitues. But, like any Linux distro, you can remove and add packages to tailor it to you liking over time.

JN4OldSchool · #6 20th July 2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PabloTwo

Yeah, sorry about that. You did say Fedora 8 in original post, which I then promptly forgot. Another alternative, if you decide you really want x86_64 version of F8 and it must fit onto a 700MB capacity CD, is the Fedora8-Live-XFCE-x86_64 Torrent which is only 687MB large, available here

You could then yum groupinstall the KDE DE after you installed it. Another advantage of this Live spin of F8 is that is uses a respin of F8 dated sometime in Feduary of 2008, so there would less to 'update' after the install. An i686 version (32 bit) of this is also available and only 621MB download on torrent.

These custom spins are meant for a 'lightweight' F8 install, so don't have all the standard F8 issue apps included, but do have some nice substitues. But, like any Linux distro, you can remove and add packages to tailor it to you liking over time.

Forget it Pablo, judging from the sound of his three posts the OP wont want to do this either.

PabloTwo · #7 21st July 2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JN4OldSchool

Forget it Pablo, judging from the sound of his three posts the OP wont want to do this either.

Are you kidding? At my age, forgetting has never been easier

markkuk · #8 21st July 2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by redrazor39

The formatting didn't paste correctly but you can see that the Fedora 8 Live KDE x86_64 is 806M. How is that supposed to fit on a live CD?

It's not supposed to fit on a CD. It's a LiveDVD.

Quote:

Originally Posted by redrazor39

BTW, I'm not sure if I'm even supposed to have x86_64. I have a 32-bit Intel Centrino Core 2 Duo Processor.

Both x86_64 and i686 versions will work on a Core 2 Duo. If it's a Core Duo (notice the missing "2") then only the i686 disc works.

redrazor39 · #9 21st July 2008, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markkuk

It's not supposed to fit on a CD. It's a LiveDVD.

Both x86_64 and i686 versions will work on a Core 2 Duo. If it's a Core Duo (notice the missing "2") then only the i686 disc works.

Whose idea was it to waste an entire DVD with only 106MB above a CD? The DVD is in a different section.

Also, after PMing someone, they explained that even though it seems 100MB over the "limit", itshould fit just fine because it will adjust itself to take up the correct space. I won't say their name now because I don't know if they would let me quote them by name.

If both work, then wouldn't I get better performance or something from using the x86_64 instead of the i686? my processor is 32-bit.

sideways · #10 21st July 2008, 09:06 PM

sigh, you're probably better off with i686 since the small extra challenges involved with x86_64 will just annoy you, and we don't need another "how do I get flash working in 64bit" thread. Performance isn't much different for practical purposes (I'm assuming you're not a professional audio/video editor).

You don't need to burn a cd anyway, the iso image can be transferred to a 1gb usb stick and booted from there.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo

heck, if you have a 4gb usb stick you can even install the dvds from that
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/...d.php?t=194646

bepaald · #11 21st July 2008, 09:14 PM

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If both work, then wouldn't I get better performance or something from using the x86_64 instead of the i686? my processor is 32-bit.

Quote:

BTW, I'm not sure if I'm even supposed to have x86_64. I have a 32-bit Intel Centrino Core 2 Duo Processor.

Well, if your processor is 32-bit, you can't use the x86_64 version. It will just give an error when trying to boot it.
However, if you have a 'Core 2 Duo' processor (and NOT a 'core duo', like markkuk said) it is not 32-bit, but 64-bit, so there's something wrong with what you said there. Anyway, the x86_64 version will then work, but if you ask me, the performance gain is negligible (if there is any at all). It is most useful for people with over 4 GB of RAM (and who regularly use over 4 GB of RAM.

So, you should find out what processor you actually have. In the 'read me first' section, there is a thread about the 32/64 bit choice (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=187854) and it suggests a way to find out if your processor is 64-bit capable. However, I should just say that my processor most definitely is 64-bit, but the command in the thread does not show it. So it might not give the right answer I guess.

redrazor39 · #12 21st July 2008, 09:55 PM

Ok. I just found that i686 is best for my processor, so this doesn't apply to me at all.

I'm going to install Fedora now

so happy

Anyway, if that really is for the Live DVD, then please mark this thread as [SOLVED], mods (unless I can do it myself-- I'm not sure here)

redrazor39 · #13 21st July 2008, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bepaald

Well, if your processor is 32-bit, you can't use the x86_64 version. It will just give an error when trying to boot it.
However, if you have a 'Core 2 Duo' processor (and NOT a 'core duo', like markkuk said) it is not 32-bit, but 64-bit, so there's something wrong with what you said there. Anyway, the x86_64 version will then work, but if you ask me, the performance gain is negligible (if there is any at all). It is most useful for people with over 4 GB of RAM (and who regularly use over 4 GB of RAM.

So, you should find out what processor you actually have. In the 'read me first' section, there is a thread about the 32/64 bit choice (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=187854) and it suggests a way to find out if your processor is 64-bit capable. However, I should just say that my processor most definitely is 64-bit, but the command in the thread does not show it. So it might not give the right answer I guess.

1) To the other poster, I didn't know fedora already had a liveUSB! That's awesome!

Now to you. I only thought it was 32-bit because I'm running a 32 bit version of Windows Vista. I do have an Intel Centrino Core 2 Duo processor, according to that same hardware information and when I bought this laptop.

I only have 2 GB of RAM though, and even in Vista I never use more than 1400 MB.

So 32 bit will be best?

deanlinkous · #14 21st July 2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by redrazor39

So 32 bit will be best?

32bit sounds like a winner unless you know you prefer/need/want 64bit

redrazor39 · #15 22nd July 2008, 03:59 AM

Thanks for all the help in clarification, everyone. If a mod could please mark this thread as [SOLVED] for future users, that would be great (unless you don't do that here at fedoraforums)

Can anyone link me to where I can get a pack to run Fedora 8 KDE i686 in VMware Player? I'd rather try it out before making a Live CD.