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Hi Leigh123@Linux
That is so nice of you to show me a trial run of that case, about <syslog-ng> and <rsyslog> packages
Now, which is the one that needs to be selected (if one is exclusive of the other because of mutual inconsistency)?
Also, i see "allowdowngrade" plugin and "presto" plugin in your case, which i think i do not have.
Do i need to get them from somewhere, if so from where?
I am yet to run update again
By the way do you think that doing a task using the <terminal> mode and line-by-line command prompt mode
is better and safer (whatever it means!) than use of the GUI´s etc. . . ?
And now of course, in this case it is the <yum> program, but sometimes we may have alternatives there as well(!)
Do i make sense in questioning? Maybe it is borm out of my innate ignorance or incompetence . . .
Sorry to bother you with my crap questions if they are so . . .
Thanks for your time . . .
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Hi Leigh123@Linux
That is so nice of you to show me a trial run of that case, about <syslog-ng> and <rsyslog> packages
Now, which is the one that needs to be selected (if one is exclusive of the other because of mutual inconsistency)?
Also, i see "allowdowngrade" plugin and "presto" plugin in your case, which i think i do not have.
Do i need to get them from somewhere, if so from where?
I am yet to run update again
By the way do you think that doing a task using the <terminal> mode and line-by-line command prompt mode
is better and safer (whatever it means!) than use of the GUI´s etc. . . ?
And now of course, in this case it is the <yum> program, but sometimes we may have alternatives there as well(!)
Do i make sense in questioning? Maybe it is borm out of my innate ignorance or incompetence . . .
Sorry to bother you with my crap questions if they are so . . .
Thanks for your time . . .
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I would stick with rsyslog as it is already installed by default
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Also, i see "allowdowngrade" plugin and "presto" plugin in your case, which i think i do not have.
Do i need to get them from somewhere, if so from where?
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You don't need "allowdowngrade" plugin and "presto" plugin" as these are necessary for normal use .
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By the way do you think that doing a task using the <terminal> mode and line-by-line command prompt mode
is better and safer (whatever it means!) than use of the GUI´s etc. . . ?
And now of course, in this case it is the <yum> program, but sometimes we may have alternatives there as well(!)
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I prefer command line as the output is very clear ( It give much more info  ) and I think mistakes are less likely
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22nd December 2007, 01:43 PM
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My Dear Wayne:
That was a very useful hint indeed, along with some details about the background info etc.
I have to be very grateful to you along with all those volunteer contributers who run the show so beautifully.
Let me tell you, i did not at all get put off by you or Leigh, but instead i got enthused by you encouraging remarks.
I very well understand that it can be very frustrating for anyone to repeat the details again and again in every case.
A reference to some appropriate resource material like you and Leigh indicated in your postings.
Thanks again
(Of course i need time to digest all the info . . .)
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My Dear Leigh:
Let me ask one more question here.
I read somewhere that logging in as <Administrator> in Windows OS is to be minimized to only such cases wherein it is very essential/required to get some task performed; otherwise there are chances of Trojan-horse attack etc. . .
How is the situation with Linux/Fedora? Do we have to be cautious to use the <root> user-ID in the same way?
Of course, the more fundamental question is why in fact it is so (the deeper reasons therefor).
I guess it is a very silly type of question, but anyway for me it is OK i guess .. . .
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My Dear Leigh:
Let me ask one more question here.
I read somewhere that logging in as <Administrator> in Windows OS is to be minimized to only such cases wherein it is very essential/required to get some task performed; otherwise there are chances of Trojan-horse attack etc. . .
How is the situation with Linux/Fedora? Do we have to be cautious to use the <root> user-ID in the same way?
Of course, the more fundamental question is why in fact it is so (the deeper reasons therefor).
I guess it is a very silly type of question, but anyway for me it is OK i guess .. . . |
I would also limit your root usage in linux as it is easy to make mistakes and delete files .( You are unlikely to be hit a virus or Trojan-horse attacks in linux )
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My Dear Leigh:
Let me ask one more question here.
I read somewhere that logging in as <Administrator> in Windows OS is to be minimized to only such cases wherein it is very essential/required to get some task performed; otherwise there are chances of Trojan-horse attack etc. . .
How is the situation with Linux/Fedora? Do we have to be cautious to use the <root> user-ID in the same way?
Of course, the more fundamental question is why in fact it is so (the deeper reasons therefor).
I guess it is a very silly type of question, but anyway for me it is OK i guess .. . . |
Hmm... looks like you got enough help to get you on your way while I was sleeping. Great.
But, just to nitpick. Actually, Windows really encourages logging in as Administrator. Think about it. The first account you make is the main administrator account, and the more naive user just logs in as admin all the time.
No need to really worry about trojans, etc. in Linux in general. At least at the moment. It's just not a good idea to log in as root because we'll all make mistakes and it's very easy to do a large amount of damage to your system by sheer accident. 
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Hi tjVanWyk:
I see that you caught me again(!) I really do not know all such details even about the msWindows-XP-pro OS
which i have been using. That is what i have in my hp-Compaq PC as the factory(?)-installed OS.
I did reinstall that OS from the two CDs, <HP-Restore-Plus>CD and <hp-OperatingSystem>CD supplied by the vendor; and it turned out that they had additional software modules that completed the creation of user-IDs just before finishing the task of OS-installation. But, maybe as you said, in general it may be a problem there if in fact the only user-ID initially created is the Administrator user that too with a <null> password(!)
It is very true indeed that a slip/mistake on the part of the <root> or <Administrator> user can have very serious far-reaching or devastating consequences, just because of the ¨power¨/¨privileges¨ of that user.
Similar is the case in real-world society as well, and we see it happen all the time(!)
For example, even a slip in the decision-making (strategic as against tactical) particularly by a head-of-state,
and it is even more profound when it comes to the head-of-a-SuperPowerState
I guess, i can easily accept the reasoning here as well.
So, are you saying that i need not look for AntiVirus stuff etc.? That is so much reduced headache then.
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22nd December 2007, 03:58 PM
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So, are you saying that i need not look for AntiVirus stuff etc.? That is so much reduced headache then.
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Yes and no.
No need at this point in time to worry about viruses harming our desktop Linux boxes. We may need to re-think that sentiment when Linux gains more market share.
However, we all have friends who use Windows, so even though we don't have to worry, be careful about what you send/forward to friends over e-mail, IM, etc.
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Hi My Dear tjVanWyk:
(i thought it is rather cute to write your name that way, if you do not mind, and certainly if you particularly like it)
I just managed to perform a run of the command as suggested by Leigh123@Linux
The last few lines of output is as here below:
[root @localhost ~]#yum update
--> Running transaction check
---> Package kdebase.i386 6:3.5.8-9.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package kdenetwork.i386 7:3.5.8-9.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package libmp4v2.i386 0:1.5.0.1-5.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package kdepim.i386 6:3.5.8-10.svn20071129.ent.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package selinux-policy-devel.noarch 0:3.0.8-68.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package kdegraphics.i386 7:3.5.8-7.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package paps-libs.i386 0:0.6.8-1.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package libsmi.i386 0:0.4.5-2.fc6 set to be updated
--> Processing Conflict: rsyslog conflicts syslog-ng
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: rsyslog conflicts with syslog-ng
[root@localhost ~]#
Do you think it has done the job properly, now?
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Try
su
rpm -e syslog-ng
yum update
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Now, My Dear Leigh:
Here is what i tried, as per your suggestions -
#su
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#rpm -e syslog-ng
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did not give rise to anything alarming
#yum update
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--> Running transaction check
---> Package kdebase.i386 6:3.5.8-9.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package kdenetwork.i386 7:3.5.8-9.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package libmp4v2.i386 0:1.5.0.1-5.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package kdepim.i386 6:3.5.8-10.svn20071129.ent.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package selinux-policy-devel.noarch 0:3.0.8-68.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package kdegraphics.i386 7:3.5.8-7.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package paps-libs.i386 0:0.6.8-1.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package libsmi.i386 0:0.4.5-2.fc6 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Dependencies Resolved
================================================== ===========================
Package Arch Version Repository Size
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Installing:
kdebase-libs i386 6:3.5.8-9.fc8 updates 1.0 M
replacing kdebase.i386 6:3.5.8-5.fc8
kdegraphics-libs i386 7:3.5.8-7.fc8 updates 1.5 M
replacing kdegraphics.i386 7:3.5.8-5.fc8
kdenetwork-libs i386 7:3.5.8-9.fc8 updates 1.0 M
replacing kdenetwork.i386 7:3.5.8-4.fc8
kdepim-libs i386 6:3.5.8-10.svn20071129.ent.fc8 updates 5.4 M
replacing kdepim.i386 6:3.5.8-4.svn20071013.ent.fc8
seamonkey i386 1.1.7-1.fc8 updates 15 M
replacing seamonkey-chat.i386 1.1.7-1
Updating:
NetworkManager i386 1:0.7.0-0.6.6.svn3109.fc8 updates 600 k
NetworkManager-glib i386 1:0.7.0-0.6.6.svn3109.fc8 updates 66 k
NetworkManager-gnome i386 1:0.7.0-0.6.6.svn3109.fc8 updates 235 k
NetworkManager-vpnc i386 1:0.7.0-0.6.3.svn3109.fc8 updates 102 k
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Installing for dependencies:
libmp4v2 i386 1.5.0.1-5.fc8 fedora 263 k
libsmi i386 0.4.5-2.fc6 fedora 2.4 M
paps-libs i386 0.6.8-1.fc8 updates 22 k
selinux-policy-devel noarch 3.0.8-68.fc8 updates 519 k
Updating for dependencies:
kdebase i386 6:3.5.8-9.fc8 updates 27 M
kdegraphics i386 7:3.5.8-7.fc8 updates 5.7 M
kdenetwork i386 7:3.5.8-9.fc8 updates 10 M
kdepim i386 6:3.5.8-10.svn20071129.ent.fc8 updates 13 M
Transaction Summary
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Install 9 Package(s)
Update 358 Package(s)
Remove 0 Package(s)
Total download size: 1.2 G
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
(1/346): htdig-3.2.0b6-13 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:34
(2/346): gnome-phone-mana 100% |=========================| 198 kB 00:06
(3/346): rpm-python-4.4.2 100% |=========================| 61 kB 00:01
(4/346): libsmbios-libs-0 100% |=========================| 237 kB 00:07
(5/346): nautilus-sendto- 100% |=========================| 90 kB 00:03
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downloading is still going on . . .
It looks, maybe it is working alright, this time (!)
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Now, My Dear Leigh:
Here is what i tried, as per your suggestions -
#su
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#rpm -e syslog-ng
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did not give rise to anything alarming
#yum update
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--> Running transaction check
---> Package kdebase.i386 6:3.5.8-9.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package kdenetwork.i386 7:3.5.8-9.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package libmp4v2.i386 0:1.5.0.1-5.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package kdepim.i386 6:3.5.8-10.svn20071129.ent.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package selinux-policy-devel.noarch 0:3.0.8-68.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package kdegraphics.i386 7:3.5.8-7.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package paps-libs.i386 0:0.6.8-1.fc8 set to be updated
---> Package libsmi.i386 0:0.4.5-2.fc6 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Dependencies Resolved
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Package Arch Version Repository Size
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Installing:
kdebase-libs i386 6:3.5.8-9.fc8 updates 1.0 M
replacing kdebase.i386 6:3.5.8-5.fc8
kdegraphics-libs i386 7:3.5.8-7.fc8 updates 1.5 M
replacing kdegraphics.i386 7:3.5.8-5.fc8
kdenetwork-libs i386 7:3.5.8-9.fc8 updates 1.0 M
replacing kdenetwork.i386 7:3.5.8-4.fc8
kdepim-libs i386 6:3.5.8-10.svn20071129.ent.fc8 updates 5.4 M
replacing kdepim.i386 6:3.5.8-4.svn20071013.ent.fc8
seamonkey i386 1.1.7-1.fc8 updates 15 M
replacing seamonkey-chat.i386 1.1.7-1
Updating:
NetworkManager i386 1:0.7.0-0.6.6.svn3109.fc8 updates 600 k
NetworkManager-glib i386 1:0.7.0-0.6.6.svn3109.fc8 updates 66 k
NetworkManager-gnome i386 1:0.7.0-0.6.6.svn3109.fc8 updates 235 k
NetworkManager-vpnc i386 1:0.7.0-0.6.3.svn3109.fc8 updates 102 k
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Installing for dependencies:
libmp4v2 i386 1.5.0.1-5.fc8 fedora 263 k
libsmi i386 0.4.5-2.fc6 fedora 2.4 M
paps-libs i386 0.6.8-1.fc8 updates 22 k
selinux-policy-devel noarch 3.0.8-68.fc8 updates 519 k
Updating for dependencies:
kdebase i386 6:3.5.8-9.fc8 updates 27 M
kdegraphics i386 7:3.5.8-7.fc8 updates 5.7 M
kdenetwork i386 7:3.5.8-9.fc8 updates 10 M
kdepim i386 6:3.5.8-10.svn20071129.ent.fc8 updates 13 M
Transaction Summary
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Install 9 Package(s)
Update 358 Package(s)
Remove 0 Package(s)
Total download size: 1.2 G
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
(1/346): htdig-3.2.0b6-13 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:34
(2/346): gnome-phone-mana 100% |=========================| 198 kB 00:06
(3/346): rpm-python-4.4.2 100% |=========================| 61 kB 00:01
(4/346): libsmbios-libs-0 100% |=========================| 237 kB 00:07
(5/346): nautilus-sendto- 100% |=========================| 90 kB 00:03
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downloading is still going on . . .
It looks, maybe it is working alright, this time (!)
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It should update OK this time
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Thank a lot, Leigh.
I see that it is downloading the 18th out of 346 to be done(!)
So, now that things are going alright, i plan to get some sleep; it may require that much time anyway, as it looks now.
Again, let me express my heartfelt gratitude to you Leigh, along with Wayne, Greg, and tjVanWyk(Tom),
for the wonderful help that you all offered to me together.
It was a great experience indeed.
And i hope by morning i can see the work completed.
So, for now, bye to everyone there . . .
And, if i dont see you again . . .
My Warm Regards, and Best Wishes to Each of You in All Your Endeavors . . .
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To all Users of this FedoraForum:
I had gone out with my family for two days (Christmas break) and am back today, ready for work tomorrow(!)
In fact, before i left, i checked to ensure that my problem got solved satisfactorily,
and that i could get all the needed software-updates done on my PC.
I must tell you (all the users of this FedoraForum) that i was extremely delighted to get excellent help in the form of
suggestions/tips/cautions/etc in addition to the-solution-to-the-problem-as-posed in a timely fashion.
I am very much pleased that my first-use experience with this FedoraForum is so very encouraging,
and sincerely wish that everyone of the newcomers into this World of Free-Open-Source-Software / GNU / FSF
would get such excellent and timely support/help so that this concept of FOSS/GNU/FSF gets established as the
world standard soon, and prosper/grow day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, . . .
GodSpeed to FOSS/GNU/FSF . . .
GodSpeed to FedoraForum and its maintainers/administrators/moderators/users-of-various-categories/etc. . .
Maybe we can close this thread now (i dont know, but i leave it to the administrators/moderators/etc)
Bye now.
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