kde needs gnome?

[contraculto]

hi there, i don't know if it's just me or this looks rather strange...

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Removing:
 gnome-themes            noarch     2.18.0-1.fc7     installed         4.9 M
Removing for dependencies:
 amarok                  i386       1.4.7-5.fc7      installed          28 M
 amarok-extras-nonfree   i386       1.4.4-1.lvn7     installed          302
 basket                  i386       1.0.2-3.fc7      installed         6.5 M
 eel2                    i386       2.18.3-1.fc7     installed         1.1 M
 fedora-logos            noarch     6.0.98-3.fc7     installed         5.2 M
 firstboot               noarch     1.4.35-1.fc7     installed         884 k
 gdm                     i386       1:2.18.4-2.fc7   installed          12 M
 gnome-desktop           i386       2.18.3-4.fc7     installed         2.2 M
 grub                    i386       0.97-13          installed         1.0 M
 kde-settings-kdm        noarch     3.5-30.fc7       installed          22 k
 kdeartwork              i386       3.5.8-1.fc7      installed         8.9 M
 kdebase                 i386       6:3.5.8-3.fc7    installed          54 M
 kmod-nvidia             i686       100.14.19-1.2.6.23.1_21.fc7  installed         6.5 M
 konversation            i386       1.0.1-2.fc6      installed          11 M
 livna-config-display    noarch     0.0.19-1.lvn7    installed         265 k
 mail-notification       i386       4.1-1.fc7        installed         1.0 M
 metacity                i386       2.18.5-2.fc7     installed          10 M
 redhat-artwork          i386       7.0.0-11.fc7     installed         7.8 M
 redhat-artwork-kde      i386       7.0.0-11.fc7     installed         664 k
 rhgb                    i386       0.17.6-1.fc7     installed         337 k
 system-config-display   noarch     1.0.51-1.fc7     installed         724 k
 system-config-keyboard  noarch     1.2.11-1.fc7     installed         193 k
 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia     i386       100.14.19-3.lvn7  installed          15 M

what this basically means is that removing the gnome themes takes down kde, kills my graphic driver and removes some programs, incluiding config ones. oh, and also prevents me from booting up.

isn't that a little to much power on the hands of a few themes? not even amarok is safe from them. and similar things happen with most gnome pckages, looks like you can't use kde unless you install half of gnome's stuff. and the same seems true for xfce.

it would of course be stupid to think this is a kde issue, so i'm thinking it's a thing fedora does. anyone has any idea why this happens? is it really necesary for us to depend on most of gnome if we don't plan on using it?

thanks,

[rm2]

Eeewww! Something like that is what made me drop Kubuntu. I thought things were better here with Fedora. I hope this not the norm.

[ppesci]

Yuck!. Maybe is only in the artwork

[leigh123linux]

Originally Posted by rod

hi there, i don't know if it's just me or this looks rather strange...

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Removing:
 gnome-themes            noarch     2.18.0-1.fc7     installed         4.9 M
Removing for dependencies:
 amarok                  i386       1.4.7-5.fc7      installed          28 M
 amarok-extras-nonfree   i386       1.4.4-1.lvn7     installed          302
 basket                  i386       1.0.2-3.fc7      installed         6.5 M
 eel2                    i386       2.18.3-1.fc7     installed         1.1 M
 fedora-logos            noarch     6.0.98-3.fc7     installed         5.2 M
 firstboot               noarch     1.4.35-1.fc7     installed         884 k
 gdm                     i386       1:2.18.4-2.fc7   installed          12 M
 gnome-desktop           i386       2.18.3-4.fc7     installed         2.2 M
 grub                    i386       0.97-13          installed         1.0 M
 kde-settings-kdm        noarch     3.5-30.fc7       installed          22 k
 kdeartwork              i386       3.5.8-1.fc7      installed         8.9 M
 kdebase                 i386       6:3.5.8-3.fc7    installed          54 M
 kmod-nvidia             i686       100.14.19-1.2.6.23.1_21.fc7  installed         6.5 M
 konversation            i386       1.0.1-2.fc6      installed          11 M
 livna-config-display    noarch     0.0.19-1.lvn7    installed         265 k
 mail-notification       i386       4.1-1.fc7        installed         1.0 M
 metacity                i386       2.18.5-2.fc7     installed          10 M
 redhat-artwork          i386       7.0.0-11.fc7     installed         7.8 M
 redhat-artwork-kde      i386       7.0.0-11.fc7     installed         664 k
 rhgb                    i386       0.17.6-1.fc7     installed         337 k
 system-config-display   noarch     1.0.51-1.fc7     installed         724 k
 system-config-keyboard  noarch     1.2.11-1.fc7     installed         193 k
 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia     i386       100.14.19-3.lvn7  installed          15 M

what this basically means is that removing the gnome themes takes down kde, kills my graphic driver and removes some programs, incluiding config ones. oh, and also prevents me from booting up.

isn't that a little to much power on the hands of a few themes? not even amarok is safe from them. and similar things happen with most gnome pckages, looks like you can't use kde unless you install half of gnome's stuff. and the same seems true for xfce.

it would of course be stupid to think this is a kde issue, so i'm thinking it's a thing fedora does. anyone has any idea why this happens? is it really necesary for us to depend on most of gnome if we don't plan on using it?

thanks,

Have you tried using rpm to remove gnome-themes ( yum does make mistakes sometimes )

su
rpm -e gnome-themes

[root@localhost leigh]# rpm -q gnome-themes
gnome-themes-2.20.0-1.fc8
[root@localhost leigh]# rpm -e gnome-themes
error: Failed dependencies:
        gnome-themes is needed by (installed) fedora-icon-theme-1.0.0-1.fc8.noarch
        gnome-themes is needed by (installed) totem-2.20.1-1.fc8.x86_64
        gnome-themes is needed by (installed) evolution-2.12.1-3.fc8.x86_64
        gnome-themes is needed by (installed) rhythmbox-0.11.3-1.fc8.x86_64
        gnome-themes is needed by (installed) rhythmbox-0.11.3-1.fc8.i386
[root@localhost leigh]# rpm -q kdebase
kdebase-3.5.8-5.fc8
[root@localhost leigh]#

[kona0197]

I've noticed that if I install K3B that also KDE itself is installed. I never did like KDE and it's just wasted space.

[leigh123linux]

Originally Posted by kona0197

I've noticed that if I install K3B that also itself is in KDEstalled. I never did like KDE and it's just wasted space.

Thats normal as k3b is a kde app

[kona0197]

I know. KDE has a annoying thing going by naming every program something starting with K. I would rather just have K3B with no KDE installed.

[hiberphoptik]

yeah k3b is nice.. but i went to brasero for a GTK CD burning GUI and never looked back

[rm2]

Originally Posted by kona0197

I know. KDE has a annoying thing going by naming every program something starting with K. I would rather just have K3B with no KDE installed.

How ironic that your name is Kona. I wonder if it is a psychological thing you have against KDE due to some subconscious self loathing or something.

[kona0197]

My name is Kona because I used to own a Kona bicycle. I'm a mountain biking guru. As far as the rest of your post - I don't like KDE because it has too many ways too accomplish the same goal. GNOME is simple to understand and use. KDE has too many bells and whistles.

[bob]

Rod, I'm not sure which 'mailing list' it belongs in, or whether it's a bugzilla issue, but someone should make sure that an uninformed user doesn't click "Y" !!! I hope you report this.

[rm2]

Originally Posted by kona0197

My name is Kona because I used to own a Kona bicycle. I'm a mountain biking guru. As far as the rest of your post - I don't like KDE because it has too many ways too accomplish the same goal. GNOME is simple to understand and use. KDE has too many bells and whistles.

I find tha GNOME sometimes doesn't have enough ways to do things. For example, not being able to rename files and folders in the Save/Open dialog boxes is very frustrating to me. With KDE I spend the first few minutes of an installation configuring the way I like. Then I never have to worry about configuration (unless a need to change something arises). I try to lean the most efficient way of doing something for me and I repeat the same method from then on. It is not like I have to think about it every time I go back to doing the same task. It becomes second nature. The problem with having only one way to do something is that if you don't like that way, then you have to pick the highway. That is what I had to do when GNOME would not allow one to configure the opening of each directory on the same window rather than creating a new window for each open directory. I know they eventually changed that. But, it left me scared of GNOME's lack of configuration prison. I don't want to be trapped again. Now, that is just me of course. No problem if you want to use it and like it. Good for you.

[contraculto]

good advice, bob. i have borked a fedora install or 2 this way. i'll see if i can get this to some mailing list. get an official response or something.

[scottro]

There are lots of peculiar dependencies. Although the larger distros (e.g., Fedora, xBuntu) are some of the worst offenders, you'll find it everywhere.

I once blithely, on a desktop without wireless, typed

yum -y remove wireless-tools

When I came back, I'd lost kopete and basically anything KDE related.


You can use rpm -e --nodeps to remove one package. (The -e is for erase and the --nodeps, oddly enough means forget about dependencies.) I believe yum has a nodeps option too, but I'm not in Fedora right now and could be wrong about that--check the manpage before trying it.

[contraculto]

i'll look into that scottro, hopefully that'll enable me to thrash a couple packages without everything going to hell. at least i've been able to remove everything bluetooth related. now with the unnecessary gnome artwork...