FC7 Moonshine upgrade from 6, and my experience

[Adesso]

Greetings

Being a FC fan since version 3, I must say that it has come a long way to a very nice OS. There is still some small quirks here and there, but nothing like the early versions. I still prefer the KDE desktop, and now with Beryl I have moved 100% to Fedora, at home and work, as Vista is just wasting my time. I don't have much time these days to really play anymore, and find the forums a vital part of Fedora. Without you guys I would most likely be using Suse, Ubuntu or Debian

After much political change in the open source world, I am glad to say that Fedora picked the right side. I love Fedora for so many reasons, but sometimes also wish that we could get to a version where things would get simple enough for noobs to start learning it too. This I realize is something that will take time, but so far I can only say JOB WELL DONE guys. I have converted so many user and am working again on changing a complete company to Fedora, not a great idea if you take the experimental environmental that Fedora is based on, but I am confident that it makes the distro better.

One thing I have always done since the early days was to NEVER UPGRADE a Fedora, but it has been a couple of version since I last tried. I have a machine at home running FC6 and waas wondering if there has been any real issues with upgrading from 6 to 7. As I said, I do not have time to play much, so it would be great if I could get a vote on this ...

If however your experience on Fedora has not been all that great, it might be because of the following reason:

You have no clue how a computer really works
You have no clue how Linux works
You have the evil ATI graphics card
You have the evil AMD processor
You just had a run of bad luck.

After changing my hardware preferences to ASUS, INTEL and NVIDIA, I must say Fedora works REALLY well... it might be time to make the change in HARDWARE than rather just blaming the best distro out there. My opinion is not just based on the software, but the support as well, and if any distro out there can beat this forum, it might be worth considering, but until then, Fedora is my favorite flavor.. so good I am even considering getting a tatoo of it...

[leigh123linux]

You have the evil AMD processor

It's Intel that sucks with Linux not AMD ( this forum is full of compliants about Intel )

[Adesso]

http://digg.com/linux_unix/ATI_AMD_s...osed?t=7013521 should tell you more about why I say AMD is evil.. getting into bed with ATI is not something I call good...

Just because there is errors with some Intel chips, does not mean they are not supporting Linux, just that they are haveing some difficulties.. This could be long discussion, but the short of it is, I have never had any trouble with Intel, and only once hade a problem, small one with AMD,

I don't think that the Company AMD is bad, but getting in bed with ATI, was not the smartest thing to do... I truly hope that AMD will not go the same route as ATI, but only time can tell this. If it pleases you I will revoke my statement about AMD, and leave the CPU choice as something that makes no difference, as I don not think it really makes a difference..

[leigh123linux]

I have always used AMD and was surprised when they let ATI merge with them, I agree that ATI suck big time .

[bob]

(moved to Fedora Focus)

[Adesso]

So here I am after the fact.. first upgrade from 6 to 7 on a ugly open Celeron machine built on my table, with no case, and Click click.. done what a dream.. 1st one done.. now for my home PC..

Would love to hear what the problem in short was with the people that gave up on the upgrade.. or had issues....

[Adesso]

I had some issues with my home PC, as it has a NVidea card.. ended up redoing it with a fresh install rather, but It almost worked .. I's much better than upgrading from 5 to 6.. It seems it is getting better with every version ..

Keep at it guys..

[Draciron]

I personally LOVE Fedora. I started with FC2 having been a long time RH user. FC3 , 5 and 6 were great distros in my opinion. However.

FC7 while it does not suck has been a big step backwards in my opinion in many areas. It also is not an easy install and failed to improve in many key areas.

AMDs rule dude. You can have your Intel chips and let them spy on you. I personally don't want my chip reporting my serial number over the net. Easy enough to turn that feature on through software even if you turn it off in the bios. AMDs have given me awesome performance over the years and that's what I use and will continue to use in the near future.

ATI makes some good graphics cards. Have used many on Linux systems without a problem, though the way ATI does not support Linux means I have not been buying them in recent years and try to avoid them. A bit of pressure from the Linux community and I think they'll come around. I love the way NVidia has responded too the Linux community and I try to buy MBs with NVidia chipsets for that reason.

I have plenty of experience with a computer. The problems I ran into might have been avoided if all I did was check email and surf the web true. That's not the Linux way. Linux is about a machine being what YOU the user want it too be. That means playing propriaotory formats like MP3s, Flash, etc then that's what it means. Other problems like the lack of a CDR for the FC7 64 bit, the fact that the live CDs don't fit on a CDR have nothing too do with me. The instablility with the RPM database had nothing too do with me. That was a bug in FC7 that has thankfully been fixed. FC7 was not an easy install and I've become spoiled having had effortless installs on hundreds of machines using FC3-6 and rarely having problems. When I did it was usually laptops and the lack of driver support for them or Intel chips and lack of Linux support such as low end Dells and the bizzarre Intel sound and nic cards that lived on them for a time. I've personally had more trouble with Intel Vid cards than ATI vid cards.

No idea, I keep /home and /data on separate partitions. So instead of upgrading I format / and /boot and reinstall everything. Once reinstalled I'm right back up and running with all my data and configurations preserved. Sometimes I'll have a plugin problem since I normally run much newer versions of Firefox than are supported by Fedora. That's easy enough to fix by removing the default Firefox install and installing the new Firefox.

I now have a smooth running FC7 running on ASUS, AMD, NVidia hardware. The problems I had were not related too the hardware except for the imfamous HWCursor problem with NVidia cards until you get the drivers installed. So really the problem is with FC7 as I'm still doing FC6 installs rather than FC7 on many machines to avoid these problems I've had with FC7. Can't wait for FC8 too come out. FC has never released two dogs in a row and I'm betting FC8 is a big improvement.

Originally Posted by Adesso

Greetings

Being a FC fan since version 3, I must say that it has come a long way to a very nice OS. There is still some small quirks here and there, but nothing like the early versions. I still prefer the KDE desktop, and now with Beryl I have moved 100% to Fedora, at home and work, as Vista is just wasting my time. I don't have much time these days to really play anymore, and find the forums a vital part of Fedora. Without you guys I would most likely be using Suse, Ubuntu or Debian

After much political change in the open source world, I am glad to say that Fedora picked the right side. I love Fedora for so many reasons, but sometimes also wish that we could get to a version where things would get simple enough for noobs to start learning it too. This I realize is something that will take time, but so far I can only say JOB WELL DONE guys. I have converted so many user and am working again on changing a complete company to Fedora, not a great idea if you take the experimental environmental that Fedora is based on, but I am confident that it makes the distro better.

One thing I have always done since the early days was to NEVER UPGRADE a Fedora, but it has been a couple of version since I last tried. I have a machine at home running FC6 and waas wondering if there has been any real issues with upgrading from 6 to 7. As I said, I do not have time to play much, so it would be great if I could get a vote on this ...

If however your experience on Fedora has not been all that great, it might be because of the following reason:

You have no clue how a computer really works
You have no clue how Linux works
You have the evil ATI graphics card
You have the evil AMD processor
You just had a run of bad luck.

After changing my hardware preferences to ASUS, INTEL and NVIDIA, I must say Fedora works REALLY well... it might be time to make the change in HARDWARE than rather just blaming the best distro out there. My opinion is not just based on the software, but the support as well, and if any distro out there can beat this forum, it might be worth considering, but until then, Fedora is my favorite flavor.. so good I am even considering getting a tatoo of it...

[lazlow]

I guess I am a little confused about the phonix article that you linked. The way I read it, would be pro-ati/AMD. While I have never been a fan of ATI, I do think that they are finally moving in the right direction.

The evil AMD processor comment was just wrong. Amd had reached the point where they had to get into the graphics chip area. I would have preferred that they buy Nvidia, but in the long run them buying ATI may be the best for the Linux community. I would think that Intel would be looking into buying somebody so they can be competitive.

[jazzyjerome]

I'm satisfied with core 6. I'll change when there is a major improvement.