You hear about java?

Bachmann · #1 13th November 2006, 06:44 AM

I apologize if this post is misplaced, but it is programming focused.

I know they have been saying this for a while, but now it looks like they did it!

http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/11/open-source-java

So I am curious what do you all think this will mean for Java and Linux, specifically

Think there will be more Java based apps?

What does this mean for the gcj people and such? (the article does not speculate too much)

And finally, think Fedora will start supporting it out of the box?

-Bachmann

ibbo · #2 13th November 2006, 04:05 PM

I read an article on slashdot about it and think its a good move by them.

Perhaps if windows is attempting to box c# off for itself this will mean linux will adopt java instead. BUT to be quite honest I have no idea. More likely that the Java people feel threatened by the surge of c# use and are now making efforts to keep java in the loop.

Who knows how these peoples minds work.

nick.stumpos · #3 13th November 2006, 04:26 PM

ehh glad they did it, still wont ever catch me programing in that language. maybe some of the java users can now figure out how to make that engine less resource hungry

Bachmann · #4 13th November 2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickisgod1

ehh glad they did it, still wont ever catch me programing in that language. maybe some of the java users can now figure out how to make that engine less resource hungry

Well, you make a good point, but I think java gets more flack then it deserves sometimes. That reminds me, anyone hear what gcj is doing?

I am curious if they will adapt Sun's classpath and such. That way we can have a compiler that can make machine code.

While this would be against the Java philosophy, it would make for faster code.

-Bachmann

lpkb · #5 13th November 2006, 06:43 PM

I think that's great news. Hopefully the *community* can strengthen Java's ability for reflection!

***bob*** · #6 13th November 2006, 10:58 PM

Moved to Linux Chat - important for all of linux.

SlowJet · #7 14th November 2006, 12:04 AM

Does this mean we can have Sun Java Destop on VNC working in XEN by Xmas?

SJ

nick.stumpos · #8 14th November 2006, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SlowJet

Does this mean we can have Sun Java Destop on VNC working in XEN by Xmas?

SJ

I hope so, you better get to work slowjet

rappermas · #9 14th November 2006, 02:53 AM

It's great--just appeared on Slashdot that they are considering releasing OpenSolaris under the GPL as well.

I think that GCJ will now finally be complete and we'll be able to compile java natively to have the good performance that we've been seeking with Java. Hopefully this will do 2 things:

1) Kill .NET, as it is open
2) Force Adobe to open Flash, as it is the other main web technology

Bachmann · #10 14th November 2006, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rappermas

It's great--just appeared on Slashdot that they are considering releasing OpenSolaris under the GPL as well.

I think that GCJ will now finally be complete and we'll be able to compile java natively to have the good performance that we've been seeking with Java. Hopefully this will do 2 things:

1) Kill .NET, as it is open
2) Force Adobe to open Flash, as it is the other main web technology

I do admit, opening flash would be awesome, but unless there is a good competitor, aka C# in java's case, I dont see why adobe would do that.

rappermas · #11 14th November 2006, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bachmann

I do admit, opening flash would be awesome, but unless there is a good competitor, aka C# in java's case, I dont see why adobe would do that.

Flash is the only other web technology that can compete with Java. If everyone starts moving to Java because it's open, Flash will HAVE TO open to compete. It will either open or die.

Bachmann · #12 14th November 2006, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rappermas

Flash is the only other web technology that can compete with Java. If everyone starts moving to Java because it's open, Flash will HAVE TO open to compete. It will either open or die.

just for the sake of argument though.... isn't flash mainly for multimedia content, while java is for applications and applets?

LinuxManMikeC · #13 16th November 2006, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bachmann

just for the sake of argument though.... isn't flash mainly for multimedia content, while java is for applications and applets?

Before Flash web animations were done in Java applets. Flash is also widely used in place of Java Applets. Flash and Java are kinda the same underneath. Flash is basically a runtime for a JavaScript like language called ActionScript. In addition to the basics of the ECMA Script standard they have a nice API designed for animation. The runtime also has several optimizations for animation as well, hence why Flash is often only associated with animation. The only key difference between Flash and Java is that Flash has a nice development tool that is focused on being an easy to use animation studio. If someone were to design a nice WYSIWYG development tool and maybe a wrapper API to tie together all the different Java technologies needed for animations, we wouldn't need Flash anymore. Oh, and for those who aren't fond of the Java syntax, there is work going on to make the JRE run scripting languages in addition to Java bytecode. http://www.beanshell.org/ So, if anyone wants to make an ActionScript clone and some nice Java2D studio software, go for it!

I personally find the ways Flash is often used on the web to be of little benefit. This would be the same case with a Java alternative. But a Java alternative would be better because now it going GPL!

And I do hope once all is done with the transition that the community starts to ease away from all this Mono stuff. Yeah, Mono is nice and C# has its moments, but things are too sketchy as far as M$ is concerned. Especially after this agreement between Microsoft and Novell, where Novell is apparently safe from pantent infringment suits from M$. Maybe there are plans to squash Mono on other distros after there is enough software using it? Who knows, but why put all your eggs in one basket?

Omega Blue · #14 16th November 2006, 08:47 AM

Flash is evil.

Okay, I admit it has some uses, but 99% of Flash stuff on the Web is just fluff, totally and utterly unnecessary. It's just there taking up space and (my) bandwidth. Garbage.

Omega Blue · #15 16th November 2006, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rappermas

It's great--just appeared on Slashdot that they are considering releasing 1) Kill .NET, as it is open

Good riddance, I say. .NET is just another Microsoft attempt to splinter the Net, and to extend its monopoly.