Fedora Linux Support Community & Resources Center
  #1  
Old 19th April 2006, 05:49 PM
JN4OldSchool Offline
"Sean The Terrible" -- The forum(er) Vista® rep
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 8,823
Pirut: Blessing or curse?

Well, maybe the title of this thread is a little extreme, but is Pirut really worth the effort? I just finished my 6th install of FC5 on various computers and by now I have learned to just bypass Pirut altogether. MIT will be happy to hear this, I think Yum Extender blows Pirut away. It is a lot more flexible, easier to use, faster to load and just works better, not to mention Pirut lacks any kind of repo control whatsoever. I also have a quibble with the add/remove package setup in Anaconda when first installing. FC4 was much better. The packages were in your face, not hidden away behind a small “customize now” check box. You had the option to check one “install everything” box that put a nice full system on your drive without adding all the extraneous crap FC5 includes that should be in extras in the first place. I also miss the add/remove packages system in FC4 that would load packages off the install discs. Why was this not included in Pirut? Why should I have to download packages that are already on the install disc but that I didn't load during the install for one reason or another? How about those poor souls with dial up connections? This is a grave oversight that I have seen mentioned more than once in this forum. I love FC5, and I also love the choices Linux gives us. Everyone has their own ideas about what is useful and what isn't. While I appreciate the effort the developers put into creating all these packages, working for free, I must apologize for saying Pirut, and Pup along with it was a waste of time and resources. They should have just included Yum Extender as the package management system.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 19th April 2006, 06:13 PM
Flounder Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Arkansas
Age: 28
Posts: 1,157
Boy am I glad I wasn't the only one thinking this. Pirut takes on my system up to a good minute to load whereas Yumex takes maybe a few seconds. Pup I don't even bother with. As far as not getting packages installed from the CDs even with the DSL if the mirrors get hit hard it can take hours before you download a package. Pirut could be better but right now it's useless at times. I still use it to remove packages but as far as installing goes it's yum or yumex.
__________________
OS: Arch Linux x86_64
Laptop: Lenovo ThinkPad L440, CPU: Intel Core i7 4702MQ Quad Core 2.20 GHz, Ram: 16GB DDR3, Hard Drive: 500GB, Graphics: Intel 4600 HD, Wireless: Intel 7260AC
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 19th April 2006, 06:28 PM
nlkrio Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Athens-Greece
Posts: 1,331
i am old fashioned,maybe because I am too old ,I prefer yum.
__________________
Drink more beer but never drive !!!
:) :p :eek:
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 19th April 2006, 06:32 PM
hiberphoptik Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,186
yeah pirut is not only ugly to look at but really really slow and sometimes locks up on me

for updates a simple yum update in a terminal is good

for installing/removing stuff yumex rocks!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 19th April 2006, 07:30 PM
Zigzagcom Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: CALIFORNIA, yeah
Age: 90
Posts: 1,657
Looks and functionality aside, pup and pirut are probably OK for new installs and the uninitiated. As such, pup is clearly labeled "Software Updater" under system tools and pirut appears as "Add/Remove Software". On the other hand, why wasn't yumex used for that purpose? I think that MIT has done a great job, is on top of it in terms of maintaining the program. His pace of improving the code has been prompt, if not fast and furious. If yum is the primary means of maintaining the system, yumex makes sense. Other than that, I think there is just more code and replication of functionality.
But then, who knows what is planned for the future and what the developers envision.
__________________
Ziggy

Last edited by Zigzagcom; 19th April 2006 at 07:33 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 20th April 2006, 12:20 AM
Qwagmire Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Tracy, CA USA
Posts: 96
You know, when I first installed FC5, the first thing I reached for was Yum. Even now, Yum is so nice and streamlined...

I think I only used PUP once.
__________________
Don't put it off for another second. Procrastinate today!
Registered Linux User #414917
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 20th April 2006, 01:26 AM
Paul_Vandenberg Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 352
Pirut loads much faster on my box. I can't stand that Yumex takes for ever to build the 'available packages' list. I also added a line in the fedora-core.repo file to be able to install stuff from the install DVD. I also disabled the internet source for core. My understanding is that this is a first crack at Pirut and the ability to install from disks without having to add a repo for the disk is coming. My guess is the repo control would be added as well. The functionality in the current version of Pirut is limited, I admit, but I feel it works well.

Paul
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 20th April 2006, 04:24 AM
perry753 Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Pleasanton, CA, USA
Age: 25
Posts: 195
Pirut freezes on my computer if I try and install 2 or more packages. I try not to use it most of the time.

Thanks,
Perry
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 20th April 2006, 03:16 PM
JonR Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Wiltshire - UK
Posts: 199
Just installed FC5 for the first time. Seamless install, PUP updated everything without problems, couldn't make any sense of PIRUT so loaded Yumex and got on with the job...

Can anyone explain why Pirut is needed and what benefits it offers over Yumex?
__________________
One man's geek is another man's guru...
Registered Linux User #363869.
i686 F8, Quad Core F10 64-bit, Core2Duo F16 64-bit.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 20th April 2006, 03:35 PM
JN4OldSchool Offline
"Sean The Terrible" -- The forum(er) Vista® rep
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 8,823
Quote:
Can anyone explain why Pirut is needed and what benefits it offers over Yumex?
Darned if I know, hence the purpose of this thread...So far we have just one pro-Pirut poster. Like Flounder I sure am glad I am not the only one to think Pirut worthless. Just use Yum and Yumex, at least for now.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 20th April 2006, 05:08 PM
Al3xanR0 Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Person- Exist- Between- Chair-And-Keyboard
Age: 45
Posts: 344
Quote:
Originally Posted by JN4OldSchool
Well, maybe the title of this thread is a little extreme, but is Pirut really worth the effort? I just finished my 6th install of FC5 on various computers and by now I have learned to just bypass Pirut altogether. MIT will be happy to hear this, I think Yum Extender blows Pirut away. It is a lot more flexible, easier to use, faster to load and just works better, not to mention Pirut lacks any kind of repo control whatsoever. I also have a quibble with the add/remove package setup in Anaconda when first installing. FC4 was much better. The packages were in your face, not hidden away behind a small “customize now” check box. You had the option to check one “install everything” box that put a nice full system on your drive without adding all the extraneous crap FC5 includes that should be in extras in the first place. I also miss the add/remove packages system in FC4 that would load packages off the install discs. Why was this not included in Pirut? Why should I have to download packages that are already on the install disc but that I didn't load during the install for one reason or another? How about those poor souls with dial up connections? This is a grave oversight that I have seen mentioned more than once in this forum. I love FC5, and I also love the choices Linux gives us. Everyone has their own ideas about what is useful and what isn't. While I appreciate the effort the developers put into creating all these packages, working for free, I must apologize for saying Pirut, and Pup along with it was a waste of time and resources. They should have just included Yum Extender as the package management system.
I couldn't agree with you more. If YUM is the default package manager (uh huh, which it is uh huh) then, (I'll ask a rhetorical question) why not allow to manage packages by default? You know default as in default desktop is Gnome...
__________________
| Al3xanRO | Registered User #413462 |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. -Acts 2:21
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 20th April 2006, 06:43 PM
Finalzone Offline
Community Manager
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 2,622
Current version Pirut is functionnal although incomplete. Major change will occur Fedora Core 6 with the ability to add repository and install package from different medias like CD/DVD. Pirut aims to be user friendly. Remember how some people complain about unstability of early version of yumex. I won't be surprised that some yumex features will be implemented on Pirut.
Software updater will get an applet to check the update. Most important with the use of Pirut is to report bugs and enhancement to developers. Don't forget that yum has come a long way to be mature enough.
__________________
Desktop CPU: AMD Phenom II(tm) X4 Processor 940 AM2+ - Memory: 8GB DDR2-RAM - GPU: Nvidia Geforce GTX 460 v2 - OS: Fedora 26 Workstation x86-64 and Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Laptop ASUS X550ZE - APU: AMD Quad Core A10 7400P + Dual Radeon R5 230, R7 M265DX - Memory: 16GB DDR3-RAM - OS: Fedora 26 Design Suite x86-64
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 20th April 2006, 07:15 PM
JN4OldSchool Offline
"Sean The Terrible" -- The forum(er) Vista® rep
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 8,823
All great points. Initially, I just have to ask why? Why Pirut when we already have a fully functional package manager in Yumex. But then again, why KDE when we have Gnome? Why OO.o writer when we have Kwrite and Abiword? Why do we need 10+ music players in Linux that accomplish the same thing, with most being nearly identicle? I vehemently argued FOR such choices not long ago in another thread. Hey, if you think you can build a better mouse trap then why not? I wont change my tune at this juncture. We shall see what Pirut evolves into, but for now I will happily stick to Yumex.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 21st April 2006, 12:08 AM
Paul_Vandenberg Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 352
I think Pirut is meant to be simpler than Yumex. Perhaps, Yumex is meant more for power users?

Paul
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 21st April 2006, 12:10 AM
Zigzagcom Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: CALIFORNIA, yeah
Age: 90
Posts: 1,657
I wanna be a power usah, LOL
__________________
Ziggy
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Curse You Fedora 9... plazman30 Fedora Focus 8 4th September 2008 06:45 PM
YUM and PIRUT greenberet Using Fedora 4 4th January 2007 05:53 AM
pirut ammad Using Fedora 1 2nd December 2006 05:45 PM
Curse thee ATI Radeon 9700 (Or not?) jedisecret Hardware & Laptops 0 2nd February 2005 09:29 PM


Current GMT-time: 18:51 (Friday, 28-07-2017)

TopSubscribe to XML RSS for all Threads in all ForumsFedoraForumDotOrg Archive
logo

All trademarks, and forum posts in this site are property of their respective owner(s).
FedoraForum.org is privately owned and is not directly sponsored by the Fedora Project or Red Hat, Inc.

Privacy Policy | Term of Use | Posting Guidelines | Archive | Contact Us | Founding Members

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

FedoraForum is Powered by RedHat