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Old 18th November 2009, 11:10 AM
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Angry 64bit Fedora 12 is not working correctly

Hello everyone,

I tested Fedora 12 yesterday on my 64-bit PC.
I used Ubuntu for years and I wanted to switch to Fedora. Unfortunately Fedora 12 is only working correctly with 32-bit on my computer. The 64-bit version has a lot of problems. e.g. It is not possible to install Skype and Google-Earth.. a lot of files are missing and had to be installed manually.. I was not able to install skype within 40 min. and so I quit to install it.

And 64bit are completley neccessary for me, cause I 1st want so use 64, so there is no discussion to use just 32bits instead, and 2nd I have 8GB of RAM which can't be used fully under 32bit-systems.

Are these known problems? Or is the 64-bit version not really finished, yet? Cause if I can't use the 64bit verson of Fedora I have to switch back to an other Linux with 64bit (e.g. Ubuntu, which doesn't have these problems), cause 32bit is not a good alternative for me.

I prefer the 32-bit Fedora to the 32-bit version of Ubuntu, but the 64-bit version of Ubuntu is much better than the one of Fedora it seems. :-(
Or do I have to install just a speciall pakage to run 32-bit programms in 64-bit Fedora 12?

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Old 18th November 2009, 11:14 AM
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Moved to Linux Chat. (Skype and Google-Earth aren't fedora packages)



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I used Ubuntu for years and I wanted to switch to Fedora. Unfortunately Fedora 12 is only working correctly with 32-bit on my computer. The 64-bit version has a lot of problems. e.g. It is not possible to install Skype and Google-Earth.. a lot of files are missing and had to be installed manually.. I was not able to install skype within 40 min. and so I quit to install it.
Binary installers don't drag in the necessary 32 bit requirements , this is the case for any 64 bit distro.


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Are these known problems? Or is the 64-bit version not really finished, yet? Cause if I can't use the 64bit verson of Fedora I have to switch back to an other Linux with 64bit (e.g. Ubuntu, which doesn't have these problems), cause 32bit is not a good alternative for me.
No it's user error .

Try doing a forum search for autoten as it includes skype and gooleearth
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Old 18th November 2009, 01:32 PM
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Problems with Fedora 12 64 bit

I "upgraded" a fedora 10 system to Fedora 12 today with some very mixed results. Firstly the upgrade appeared to work but it failed to provide a bootable system. That is the upgrade process looked fine but that system was non-bootable. This left me with a non-bootable system. I did an install in which I did not reformat my home directory and my two data directories.All sizes in my LVM were maintained so that there was an exact correspondence between the old HD setup and the new. (I also had an external backup to resort to if necessary,) This "new" installation installed fine and appears to be functional. I have email and web and my file system.

Current principal problem is printing. The available drivers are far and few compared to the old Fedora Core 10 system. I have an old Lexmarlk Optra S1625 printer. The foomatic ps driver worked fine and it was easy to set up under CUPS in the old FC10 System. These drivers appear to be missing in the new system.

Appreciate comments and pointers

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Old 18th November 2009, 01:52 PM
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For the printing problem check out the F12 common bugs section on Missing printer drivers

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F12_bugs

you should install the foomatic package as it is not installed by default.
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Old 18th November 2009, 02:31 PM
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Red face pulse audio using m-audio cards is borked with all version of linux also!

Funny but the pulse audio server is borked with fedora 12, Open Suse and Ubuntu if you have an m-audio 24/96...go figure .....alsa still installs the same driver but pulse cannot see the out-puts correctly. So all the gnome pulse or esd dependant kde crap does not work!

There is big time trouble with the latest kernel and ati drivers so I will not even try to install Google Earth or any of the stuff that requires OpenGL libs! Nvidia seems to be getting ahead again.

Don't forget that you still need the all the lib32 stuff for Google Earth and the ATI drivers for OpenGL to work anyway. Same thing goes for any 64 bit Windows! In reality you are running 32 bit graphics in a 64 bit environment no matter how you shoot the can.

The gamers are all still running 32 graphics libs in a 64 bit environment! The only real 64 bit graphics are happening on other more advanced systems that do things like TV shows and really advanced graphical work... not just gaming and internet crap.

Could be that the 2.6.31 kernel is not even on the radar with ati drivers yet. The good thing is that the kernel is up to usb3 standard and will use really super fast usb if the cards ever come on the market for older MotherBoards that have pcix slots! I suspect that ATI-Amd will release an updated driver soon and Google Earth will finally release a true 64 bit version but essentially the newest linux kernel is ahead of the curve and even Windows 7 is not close to where the 2.6.31 linux kernel is!

I am running Fedora 12 64 off a thumb drive and will not even think about a HD install til the pulse audio updates and newer ATI drivers come out!
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Old 18th November 2009, 04:21 PM
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Binary installers don't drag in the necessary 32 bit requirements , this is the case for any 64 bit distro.
I know.. but Ubuntu 64bit has the necessary files.. there is no problem to run skype or googleearth on a 64-bit Ubuntu, but on a 64-bit Fedora.

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No it's user error .
No, it is defenetly not. I installed the skype version for fedora. The error is a programmer error of skype or of fedora. But not an user error. Other system can run skype 32-bit on their 64-bit system. It should be possible to run 32-bits programms on 64-bit systems.

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Old 18th November 2009, 04:25 PM
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I know.. but Ubuntu 64bit has the necessary files.. there is no problem to run skype or googleearth on a 64-bit Ubuntu, but on a 64-bit Fedora.

I packaged googleearth for autoten, it work's great on 64 bit

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=171660
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Old 22nd November 2009, 04:14 PM
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Sadly no matter what I tried, installing Skype from Skype repo, fusion, easy life or autoten, webcam refuses to work on Skype, I even tried the latest beta skype, all I get is green garbled signal. Ironically the camera works fine on Cheese.
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Old 25th November 2009, 03:59 PM
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Autoten installs Google Earth but it will not run..

Leigh, I used Autoten to install Google Earth on my machine running F12-64 and KDE and the install seemed to go OK. When I run it , I get the following message:

[bill@localhost ~]$ googleearth
./googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[bill@localhost ~]$

When I try to install libstdc++.so.6, I get the following errors from yum:

Transaction Check Error:
package mesa-libGLU-7.6-0.15.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-libGLU-7.6-0.13.fc12.i686) is already installed
package mesa-dri-drivers-7.6-0.15.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-dri-drivers-7.6-0.13.fc12.i686) is already installed
package cups-libs-1:1.4.2-7.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than cups-libs-1:1.4.1-13.fc12.i686) is already installed
package libXrandr-1.3.0-5.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than libXrandr-1.3.0-3.fc12.i686) is already installed
package mesa-libGL-7.6-0.15.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-libGL-7.6-0.13.fc12.i686) is already installed

Error Summary
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[root@localhost bill]#

What am I doing wrong?
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Old 25th November 2009, 09:52 PM
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Leigh, I used Autoten to install Google Earth on my machine running F12-64 and KDE and the install seemed to go OK. When I run it , I get the following message:

[bill@localhost ~]$ googleearth
./googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[bill@localhost ~]$



What am I doing wrong?
Most likely you are doing nothing wrong the GoogleEarth lib calls are made to libs that are too old. The newest releases of linux all choke on these lib calls. The best solution is to uninstall GoogleEarth then re-install it in your $HOME directory, this will make it so no other users can use it but allows you as an unprivileged user to do the following without messing around as root.

Remove or rename libstdc++.so.6 and libgcc_s.so.1 in the installation directory using a terminal.
$cd /google-earth/
$mv libstdc++.so.6 libstdc++.so.6.orig
$mv libgcc_s.so.1 libgcc_s.so.1.orig

this will force GoogleEarth to use the system libs you already have not the ones that get installed in the /google-earth/ directory!

If you install it system wide then you will need to become root and do the same thing to /opt/google-earth/ .....if you have problems with libcrypto.so.0.9.8 then you will have to do the same thing to this lib. Chances are that it will also be the wrong version in Fedora 12!

I have not even tried GoogleEarth in Fedora 12 because the linux ati openGL drivers for the Radeon 1250X onboard chip are also borked and do not even install in Fedora 12-64 yet so I have no hardware acceleration OpenGL just X11 software stuff that does not cut the mustard and does not even use the gpu!.... And don't get me going on how they borked up the pulse audio server so it will not even recognize the correct settings from Alsa drivers for hw0 on m-audio ice1712 based cards.... same problems with OpenSuse and Ubuntu!

I guess all the bug reports they are getting might help and there are Ubuntu forums that are trying to get both Google and Ati to update their linux system library hooks.... But that is the problem with being on the bleeding geek edge sometimes it is better to do a roll back until the real world catches up. If it 'taint broke don't fix it!

Everybody is trying to get ahead of Windows 7 by offering new features like kernel support for usb3 but the kicker is that in doing so a large number of really good software offerings are failing to be updated first! Almost like Microsoft is calling the shots with linux developement.

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Old 25th November 2009, 11:05 PM
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More problems, related..

reeman, thanks for the reply. With further testing, it turns out that I cannot install any software that requires an ,i686 dependency. I tried Adobe Reader, Wine, and several others. If only X86-64 dependencies are required, the software installs fine. Is the long term solution to wait for updates which correct the problem?
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Old 26th November 2009, 02:36 PM
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Could be the essential 32bit libs are all you need!

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reeman, thanks for the reply. With further testing, it turns out that I cannot install any software that requires an ,i686 dependency. I tried Adobe Reader, Wine, and several others. If only X86-64 dependencies are required, the software installs fine. Is the long term solution to wait for updates which correct the problem?
Make sure that you install all the lib32 dependencies and you should be fine. I do not know what the Fedora 12-64 rpm for lib32 is called but it should be available! You can execute 32 bit code from an 64 install in all forms of linux. It is just that the binaries for GoogleEarth require 32 bit libs. Most of the 32 bit libs are already there in Fedora 12 it is the same thing with Ubuntu 9.10 64 installs they require the debian 32 bit packages to run GoogleEarth. A simple way to install the correct 32 bit packages is to install Wine it needs all the lib32 stuff and will resolve the dependencies for you!

Eric

Last edited by reeman; 26th November 2009 at 02:45 PM. Reason: easy way to fix problem!
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Old 26th November 2009, 03:09 PM
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Out of sync, somehow?

reeman, again thanks for your comments. I must have something really messed up, when I tried to install wine, I got the following errors:

Transaction Check Error:
package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686) is already installed
package mesa-libGLU-7.6-0.15.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-libGLU-7.6-0.13.fc12.i686) is already installed
package mesa-libGL-7.6-0.15.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-libGL-7.6-0.13.fc12.i686) is already installed
package openldap-2.4.19-1.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than openldap-2.4.18-5.fc12.i686) is already installed
package libsndfile-1.0.20-3.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than libsndfile-1.0.20-2.fc12.i686) is already installed
package libXrandr-1.3.0-5.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than libXrandr-1.3.0-3.fc12.i686) is already installed
package mesa-dri-drivers-7.6-0.15.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-dri-drivers-7.6-0.13.fc12.i686) is already installed
package cups-libs-1:1.4.2-7.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than cups-libs-1:1.4.1-13.fc12.i686) is already installed
file /usr/share/man/man5/ldap.conf.5.gz from install of openldap-2.4.18-5.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package openldap-2.4.19-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/man/man5/ldif.5.gz from install of openldap-2.4.18-5.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package openldap-2.4.19-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/el/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/sr/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/sr@latin/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/uk/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64

Error Summary
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[root@localhost bill]#

I get similiar errors when I try to install anything requiring 32 bit dependencies. Any idea what is going on?
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Old 26th November 2009, 03:26 PM
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reeman, again thanks for your comments. I must have something really messed up, when I tried to install wine, I got the following errors:

Transaction Check Error:
package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686) is already installed
package mesa-libGLU-7.6-0.15.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-libGLU-7.6-0.13.fc12.i686) is already installed
package mesa-libGL-7.6-0.15.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-libGL-7.6-0.13.fc12.i686) is already installed
package openldap-2.4.19-1.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than openldap-2.4.18-5.fc12.i686) is already installed
package libsndfile-1.0.20-3.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than libsndfile-1.0.20-2.fc12.i686) is already installed
package libXrandr-1.3.0-5.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than libXrandr-1.3.0-3.fc12.i686) is already installed
package mesa-dri-drivers-7.6-0.15.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than mesa-dri-drivers-7.6-0.13.fc12.i686) is already installed
package cups-libs-1:1.4.2-7.fc12.x86_64 (which is newer than cups-libs-1:1.4.1-13.fc12.i686) is already installed
file /usr/share/man/man5/ldap.conf.5.gz from install of openldap-2.4.18-5.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package openldap-2.4.19-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/man/man5/ldif.5.gz from install of openldap-2.4.18-5.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package openldap-2.4.19-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/el/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/sr/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/sr@latin/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64
file /usr/share/locale/uk/LC_MESSAGES/pulseaudio.mo from install of pulseaudio-libs-0.9.19-2.fc12.i686 conflicts with file from package pulseaudio-libs-0.9.20-1.fc12.x86_64

Error Summary
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[root@localhost bill]#

I get similiar errors when I try to install anything requiring 32 bit dependencies. Any idea what is going on?

It looks like you may have used the updates-testing repo at some stage.



Code:
[leigh@localhost ~]$ yum list pulseaudio-libs
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit, remove-with-leaves,
              : show-leaves
Installed Packages
pulseaudio-libs.x86_64              0.9.20-1.fc12               @updates-testing
Available Packages
pulseaudio-libs.i686                0.9.19-2.fc12               fedora          
[leigh@localhost ~]$

You will need to enable updates-testing to install the 32bit libs.
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Old 26th November 2009, 03:56 PM
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It works..

Leigh, thanks, I enabled updates-testing, updated everything, and installed wine successfully. Google Earth works, and everything else is installing correctly.

I'm not sure at what point in time I had updates-testing enabled or why I would have done it.

Early on with F12, did your Nvidia driver guide require updates-testing to be enabled?

Again, thanks for your help, I obviously had no idea what was going on except that things were out of sync...

Edit: Leigh, after rebooting the machine, I now have the Kernel out of sync with the Nvidia driver.

[bill@localhost ~]$ uname -r
2.6.31.6-145.fc12.x86_64
[bill@localhost ~]$

The Nvidia install is looking for version 127 of the Kernel..Is there away out of this?
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