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Old 25th November 2006, 09:22 PM
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i am still having a hard time understanding linux... its mainly installing programs..... does it ever get any easier?
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Old 25th November 2006, 09:26 PM
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Lol! Yeah... it does. Maybe it'd be a good idea to start here and do some reading.

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/l...started-guide/
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/l.../custom-guide/
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/l...ual/ref-guide/
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/l.../admin-primer/

A lot of reading, to be sure, but it'll sure help get a grip on the concepts.

This is yum specific.

http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/yum/en/

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Old 25th November 2006, 09:26 PM
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i am still having a hard time understanding linux... its mainly installing programs..... does it ever get any easier?
Hello:
Not sure what you mean?
Which programs are you having issues with?

Could it be any easier than yum ?

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Old 25th November 2006, 09:29 PM
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HAH!

Beat ya, Seve!

Feeling better today?



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Old 25th November 2006, 09:34 PM
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yeah

always can try yum install

eg

yum install stellarium


then run the program by typing

stellarium

edit: of course, you need the root password for this, so if you're not root you need to switch user to root first (with root's environment (path variables etc) , so need to type 'su -' first and enter root's password (which you have set up no doubt)


alternatively you can just go to Applications->Add/Remove Software, wait a few minutes for it to load up and then check the thousands of packages available

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Old 25th November 2006, 09:39 PM
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i already have yum extender... i am mainly having dependency problems with that... i am having more problems understanding how to install programs that you download off the internet... i have noticed many different ways of install them... i am having problems configuring hardware too...
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Old 25th November 2006, 09:48 PM
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yum extender is very slow (still), command line yum and package manager (pirut) should be sufficient.

apart from obscure software the default repositories for yum are pretty good.

you need to download the odd independent rpm/install program now and again (flash player, realplayer, latest, ati drivers, firefox2 rpm etc) but that just requires a simple shell launch or rpm -Uhv command)

I just posted on how to install a gtk frontend for sopcast, now that was a bit fiddly, but the software is experimental/pirate type stuff and if it installs atomagically on windows then you're running the risk of adware (90%) and viruses (10%).
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Old 25th November 2006, 09:53 PM
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yum extender is very slow (still), command line yum and package manager (pirut) should be sufficient.

apart from obscure software the default repositories for yum are pretty good.

you need to download the odd independent rpm/install program now and again (flash player, realplayer, latest, ati drivers, firefox2 rpm etc) but that just requires a simple shell launch or rpm -Uhv command)

I just posted on how to install a gtk frontend for sopcast, now that was a bit fiddly, but the software is experimental/pirate type stuff and if it installs atomagically on windows then you're running the risk of adware (90%) and viruses (10%).



when installing programs such: java, flash, adobe acrobat, & etc don't you have to put them in specific folders?
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Old 25th November 2006, 10:26 PM
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I think java is fiddly but flash and acrobat installers automatically put the plugins for firefox in /usr/bin/mozilla/plugins and the standalone binaries are installed in /usr/bin as required

you need to be root when installing most of these things, otherwise you won't have permissins to access certain directories

I do agree with you that installing certain unsupported software can be a pain eg for gxmame i had to force the install of of a glide3 library (Glide_V3-2.60-17.i586.rpm), how annoying, but it worked, and mame is a fantastic source of games on Fedora (assuming you have an opengl graphics card).

You can always post here with specific install issues, often someone will know how to help

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Old 25th November 2006, 10:35 PM
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edit: actually for the latest flash version 9
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html

you do need to untar the download and copy the plugin libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
manually. (and delete any old libflashplayer.xpt file)

BTW FLASH 9 BETA FOR LINUX WAS UPDATED ON NOV 20

edit2: and furthermore, a recent totem update ****ed up mplayer plugins, I wouold recommend deleteting any file with 'totem' in it from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/, they rarely work

so you do actually have a point, installing software can be a pain!!

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Old 25th November 2006, 10:58 PM
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thanks sideway, i have had trouble java... its not coming up as a file format that i am familar with and i can't figure out to compile, build, & install it
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Old 25th November 2006, 11:05 PM
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i am still having a hard time understanding linux... its mainly installing programs..... does it ever get any easier?
Yes, it does get easier.
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Old 25th November 2006, 11:13 PM
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http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/fc6-tips.php#java

this link might help

Fedora & Java is quite a complex issue, I supplied a legacy java web start binary (javaws) for a while because Sun released an update which stalled on most linux distributions.

But hey, once you get the hang of linux/fedora you sort of enjoy the challenge, and to be honest, apart from 3d games there isn't much you can't do on Fedora that you can't do on microsoft's OS
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yeah i have been wanting to learn linux for 4-5 years now but only now got the chance...the only thing i still have to install & configure: my external usb hard drive(ntfs), get java, adobe acrobat, & 3d ATI Drivers.. that's the only main stuff... i am still trying to figure out why when i download themes some work & some don't
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Just going to jump in here with some links to look at:
http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora_frog
http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora_fc5
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-fc6.html

Okay, I'm outta here....
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