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Old 8th May 2017, 04:57 AM
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Hi All,

Can't sort this out. Hard freeze on login using Wayland (NumLock and CapsLock indicator lights will not toggle on/off, mouse is unresponsive, unable to switch to terminal-based login) that lasts between 30seconds and 3 minutes (to indefinitely; I once walked away in rage, still frozen 45 minutes later). Also experiencing freezing issues while trying to use the desktop, seemingly more frequently when the mouse is near an object that would pop a tool-tip; between several hundreds of milliseconds (annoying blips) to several seconds (obnoxious delays)

Switching to the X11 compositor reduces the number of freezing issues substantially, but does not eliminate them. At least the computer is more stable then. Further, I have experienced full freezes on trying to resume from sleep/standby (although Hibernate seems largely alright, except for the log-in freeze, which usually resolves within 3 minutes).

(Once I did attempt to, and was able to, SSH in during the freeze, which appeared help break the bad behavior

Any advice, ideas, would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Flobnoit

Current specs (although this has been happening since I installed F25; no prior data exist):
for all software- prefer 64bit versions
Fedora 25, current updates (at this point 4.10.13 kernel)
GNOME 3.22.2

Toshiba Satellite laptop (hand-me down; no idea what year or anything)
Intel i3-4005U @1.70GHz
Intel Haswell-ULT integrated graphics
8GB memory
OCZ 980GB SSD

---------- Post added at 10:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:52 PM ----------

Some abbreviated output from modinfo i915 (the driver indicated by $lshw -c video)
For some reason I couldn't paste this into gedit (or whatever we've replaced it with now?)


Code:
parm:           modeset:Use kernel modesetting [KMS] (0=disable, 1=on, -1=force vga console preference [default]) (int)
parm:           panel_ignore_lid:Override lid status (0=autodetect, 1=autodetect disabled [default], -1=force lid closed, -2=force lid open) (int)
parm:           semaphores:Use semaphores for inter-ring sync (default: -1 (use per-chip defaults)) (int)
parm:           enable_rc6:Enable power-saving render C-state 6. Different stages can be selected via bitmask values (0 = disable; 1 = enable rc6; 2 = enable deep rc6; 4 = enable deepest rc6). For example, 3 would enable rc6 and deep rc6, and 7 would enable everything. default: -1 (use per-chip default) (int)
parm:           enable_dc:Enable power-saving display C-states. (-1=auto [default]; 0=disable; 1=up to DC5; 2=up to DC6) (int)
parm:           enable_fbc:Enable frame buffer compression for power savings (default: -1 (use per-chip default)) (int)
parm:           lvds_channel_mode:Specify LVDS channel mode (0=probe BIOS [default], 1=single-channel, 2=dual-channel) (int)
parm:           lvds_use_ssc:Use Spread Spectrum Clock with panels [LVDS/eDP] (default: auto from VBT) (int)
parm:           vbt_sdvo_panel_type:Override/Ignore selection of SDVO panel mode in the VBT (-2=ignore, -1=auto [default], index in VBT BIOS table) (int)
parm:           reset:Attempt GPU resets (default: true) (bool)
parm:           error_capture:Record the GPU state following a hang. This information in /sys/class/drm/card<N>/error is vital for triaging and debugging hangs. (bool)
parm:           enable_hangcheck:Periodically check GPU activity for detecting hangs. WARNING: Disabling this can cause system wide hangs. (default: true) (bool)
parm:           enable_ppgtt:Override PPGTT usage. (-1=auto [default], 0=disabled, 1=aliasing, 2=full, 3=full with extended address space) (int)
parm:           enable_execlists:Override execlists usage. (-1=auto [default], 0=disabled, 1=enabled) (int)
parm:           enable_psr:Enable PSR (0=disabled, 1=enabled - link mode chosen per-platform, 2=force link-standby mode, 3=force link-off mode) Default: -1 (use per-chip default) (int)
parm:           alpha_support:Enable alpha quality driver support for latest hardware. See also CONFIG_DRM_I915_ALPHA_SUPPORT. (int)
parm:           disable_power_well:Disable display power wells when possible (-1=auto [default], 0=power wells always on, 1=power wells disabled when possible) (int)
parm:           enable_ips:Enable IPS (default: true) (int)
parm:           fastboot:Try to skip unnecessary mode sets at boot time (default: false) (bool)
parm:           prefault_disable:Disable page prefaulting for pread/pwrite/reloc (default:false). For developers only. (bool)
parm:           load_detect_test:Force-enable the VGA load detect code for testing (default:false). For
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Old 8th May 2017, 03:48 PM
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Re: Graphical freezing/laptop freezing [Wayland]

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Also experiencing freezing issues while trying to use the desktop, seemingly more frequently when the mouse is near an object that would pop a tool-tip
Input lag like mouse cursor stalling is a well known issue with Gnome on Wayland.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_t...ing_under_load
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Old 9th May 2017, 03:17 AM
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Re: Graphical freezing/laptop freezing [Wayland]

Ah, thanks. I'd not come across that before.

Hmm, so when I get to the bottom of that entire thread, several people report features more like min than the initial bug-report.

Considering that report's been being argued about for 2 years, I'm guessing this will be an issue going forward as well.

So do the rest of you just not use Wayland? More KDE users? Any other recommendations?

(I don't think I've used KDE since the move to Plasma or whatever role that has. This hardware is sufficient for me to use something flashier than LXDE or XFCE but I suppose I can be content to have a fluid user experience too )




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SUMMARY: GnomeShell and Wayland do not play nicely together on older or less-than-stellar hardware, and can lock up (see bug filing in srakitnican's link) which can result in system-thread freezing. This is an issue noticed in 2015 and which has not yet been resolved.

SOLUTION: Run GnomeShell on XOrg. Or, use another IDE under Wayland. Ex. KDE is a full-featured system that does not suffer from conflicts. Evolution has also been recommended (later in this thread).


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Last edited by flobnoit; 19th May 2017 at 03:05 AM. Reason: Recap of Solution
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Old 9th May 2017, 06:44 AM
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Re: Graphical freezing/laptop freezing [Wayland]

not sure about anyone else but your lag may be due to a lack of cores?

so I prefer gnome on wayland.....actually I prefer Enlightenment on wayland but its not yet ready.

how many cores do you have?

Code:
cat /proc/cpuinfo
cores are counted from zero so if it ends in core one you have 2 cores

2) post the snippet of output for only your input devices for
Code:
lspci -vvv
if you don't know how to copy and paste snippets of output just show lspci please
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Old 10th May 2017, 09:10 AM
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Re: Graphical freezing/laptop freezing [Wayland]

I am using Gnome on Xorg. Until at least this issue gets fixed, Gnome on Wayland is unusable for me on daily basis.
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Old 19th May 2017, 02:57 AM
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Re: Graphical freezing/laptop freezing [Wayland]

2 cores with hyperthreading, all operating at around 800MHz at time of check. Product spec is for up to 1.7GHz. No interest in overclocking or bs- this is a laptop. It is to be stable and functional.

I've ended up running KDE on Wayland- phenomenally smooth performance. No hangups.
As much as I've grown to love GnomeShell & Gnome3, I'm happier to be able to use my laptop reliably, lol.

I've also installed Enlightenment, but haven't had a chance to play with it yet.
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